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The 1911 Sucks (Reasoned Argument)
yankeegunnuts.com ^ | 20 December, 2010 | GunNutmegger

Posted on 12/23/2010 5:29:16 AM PST by marktwain

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To: urtax$@work

No, I have not personally. It is possible due to a defective firing pin spring that allows the pin to travel forward due to inertia.

Of course this would be a problem with any auto loader with the same defective spring.

Maintenance is required with any tool.


121 posted on 12/23/2010 7:51:03 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: Zeppelin
Goodness, I almost forgot one I have - a Browning A5. Well over a hundred year design.

The Model 12 with a Cutts compensator and a Simmons rib, was the gun for skeet for a long time.

122 posted on 12/23/2010 7:52:28 AM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
yup the .308 winchester is an excellent caliber...that would be an AR 10 which was Stoners first design...it was the Air Force that wanted it in a varmint caliber and the M-16 was born.

though I would prefer the FN FAL or the M-14...a semi auto needs a piston, and not direct gas impingement...you might notice that all the major manufacturers are rethinking the AR design and putting in gas pistons....an idea that was 40+ years coming.

123 posted on 12/23/2010 7:53:03 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Serial numbers on guns are relatively new thing, unless it was a military weapon or some special run. Someone once told me Colt started the serialization of their guns early on. I have seen guns that I know were built in the late fifties that do not have serial numbers. As I recall there was no serial numbers on any of the guns I grew up with.
124 posted on 12/23/2010 7:55:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: flowerplough
What other 100-year old design is still in daily use?

Washered faucet, internal combustion engine (gas or diesel), manual transmisssion, differential axle, steam turbine, roller bearing, franklin stove, bifocal glasses, incandescent bulb, arc welder, pneumatic cylinder, pneumatic tire, AC squirrel-cage motor, brushed DC motor, bicycle, rotary hydraulic damper, compound-pulley racheting winch (”come-along”), variable-speed aircraft propeller, band saw, outboard motor, etc.

I think the hammer and chisel have been around for a long time if I remember correctly. Mine still work.

125 posted on 12/23/2010 7:56:32 AM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: marktwain

I’m coming to thing of a personal gun as signaling apparatus.

One signal it sends is “Go away, NOW!”

But another is this: “Here I am, shoot me!”


126 posted on 12/23/2010 7:56:41 AM PST by bvw
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To: Retired COB

The Huks (Hukbalahap) were much later. They were a Communist organization formed to fight the Japanese. You are probably thinking of the Moros. They were (and are) Mohammedans.


127 posted on 12/23/2010 8:00:08 AM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: TalonDJ

Shot-out guns is the key. My first experience with a 1911 was in the Army. I had a hard time hitting the target at 10 yards because of the extremely old, abused, loose-actioned, practically smoothbore example I was shooting. We joked the thing was actually made in 1911. I was only shooting to blow off ammo so we wouldn’t have to take it back, but I felt sorry for the officers who had earlier tried to qualify with that thing — they didn’t.

This was just before the Beretta switchover, so nobody was putting any effort into keeping up the 1911 stock. Replacement of the worn ones was awaiting the Berettas, and we were near the tail end of that.

Anyway, I’d hate 1911s if I let that one set my opinion for all. Even with that, I still preferred a halfway-decent 1911 over the Beretta regardless of caliber. I can’t stand the fat grips.


128 posted on 12/23/2010 8:00:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Vaquero

A piston adds additional moving parts that reciprocate while attached to the barrel, which is why a DI AR is more accurate then a FN-FAL or a an M-14. Piston driven AR’s have been around since the 60s and occasionally make a comeback until people start to use them. Then they go back to DI.


129 posted on 12/23/2010 8:01:33 AM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: null and void

Yeah, but how many machines do you know that can move, communicate, consume multiple fuels, be aware of their surroundings through sight, sound, touch, smell, temperatire, etc, reason, self-improve, crate language and replicate itself?


130 posted on 12/23/2010 8:03:22 AM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

IIRC, serial numbers were only required with the 1968 firearms act.

BTW, add another gun to your list: The Lee-Enfield Mark III. It was designed in 1907, based on an 1895 design, and is still manufactued to this day.


131 posted on 12/23/2010 8:07:42 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Durus

your talking about quick second shots or bursts(and granted, that is important in a military weapon).

an M1A1(civilian m14) is as accurate as any bolt action rifles for single aimed shots..

from what I have read...the new pistons in the ARs use a new system that does not throw off subsequent shots like the old pistons use to.

direct impingement makes for dirty actions and chambers...you can have them.


132 posted on 12/23/2010 8:13:04 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: marktwain

“Sucks (Reasoned Argument)”

Sucks isn’t a “reasoned argument”...and neither was the article. More proof of the dumbing down of America when someone thinks that article was “reasoned”.


133 posted on 12/23/2010 8:13:27 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Rifleman

100 year old electrical distribution system.

I’m a BSEE specialized in Power Systems. I started my career in the utility industry.

About the only thing in common with a 100 year old design and today’s is they both distribute electricity.


134 posted on 12/23/2010 8:13:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Vaquero

We had two M-14 for the team. They really made the 16 feel like a pop gun, but they were heavy, and for the weight, you might as well carry a M-60 belt fed.

If I had my druthers, I wouldn’t send anyone out without a good snipe rifle, or two. It looks like the ragheads use a lot of AK’s, so the 16 can more than reach them, and better.

Soldiers have always complained about knock down power. Only .50 like mass and velocity can do that. As a hunter you know shooting a moving deer at any distance is hard. Now imagine a enemy, with loose cloths, and you being shot at, or up on adrenaline, or tired, or concrete dust and sweat and dust in your eyes. So, a lot of supposed hits are misses. A lot. Further, you get anything more than a luck nick by the .226 round, and you are in big trouble. Like bleed to death trouble, or infection if you get past the bleeding part. A lot of soldiers have never hunted a deer or the like. Even with a .30 something round, a 30’6 you hit them in the chest, and they run, but they’re dead.

I’m not sure, but it seems to me that infantry has morphed from a attacking main force, to a recon mission to find, id and call in heavier weapons. Hence the drift to more personal protection, lighter weapons. Find the bad guys, protect yourself, and dial up some American technology that delivers faster than a Domino’s pizza.

Anyway, it’s a little academic. If you are in a jamb, at pistol distance( 10-15 feet ) you got to go with what you got. Better than any particular weapon is practice time.


135 posted on 12/23/2010 8:14:11 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: MindBender26

Pretty much any social animal. Some do it better than others.


136 posted on 12/23/2010 8:16:46 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 700 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: fuzzybutt

One of the things I like about it is that I can feel it in my hand. It is sharp, it cuts. The Glocks and likes feel like clay, slippery, undefined,....spooggy.

Maybe it’s just me.


137 posted on 12/23/2010 8:17:43 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: marktwain
A totally unreasoned argument, but:

Myabe they really do suck, and that's why it always feels good to stick one in your pants.

138 posted on 12/23/2010 8:17:51 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: marktwain

“What other 100-year old design is still in daily use?”

The airplane wing?
Internal combustion engines?
Radios?
Telephone?
Smokeless gun powders?
Barrel rifling?
X-Ray Machines?
Intaglio printing presses?

Also: Gravity. Fire. Water. Wind. All are as old as the Earth, yet, still work as designed.

Using age as a “reason” is both ignorant and retarded.


139 posted on 12/23/2010 8:18:58 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Durus

Run a couple of hundred rounds through an XP and they really smooth out. Most weapons needs some break in.

LLS


140 posted on 12/23/2010 8:20:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a dim to enter the kingdom of GOD!)
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