The True Meaning and Interpretation of Article II "natural born Citizen

Post & Email ^ | Nov. 4, 2010 | Jedi Pauly

[Puzo1]

Don’t try to change the nature of the issue. It’s about you making statements against me which I have proven to you are baseless. It’s not about you expressing an opinion. So don’t try to wrap yourself around some 1st Amendment free speech mantle to try to escape your errors and try to make yourself some victim.

[STE=Q]

AGAIN, I was not feuding with you, I was stating MY opinion. So, what are you now, the birther police chief who determines who can or can not have an opinion?

Let me say right away that Mr. Apuzzo has good reason to be a little "sensitive" after what Jedi Pauly wrote.

Now, I'm the kind of guy that doesn't have a problem separating the wheat from the chaff.

I think there were many good ideas in Pauly's article.

Unfortunately, it could have been a far better article without him trying to denigrate those on the front line of battle -- such as, Mr. Apuzzo.

Again, bringing up Mr. Apuzzo (and the other "birther" lawyers)detracted -- unfortunately, I think -- from some of the good points that he made.

In retrospect, I wonder if I did good by posting the article at all.

I certainly did not intend to be part of demeaning Mr. Apuzzo: who has demonstrated, even with just a few posts on this forum, a wonderful grasp of the constitution and the history of our republic.

There is a way to criticize in a constructive and tactful way.

There is a way to disagree, without being disagreeable.

I do not know what Mr. Apuzzo has done to be treated in such a dismissive and disrespectful manner -- and I don't like it!

As I said, Mr. Apuzzo is on the front line of battle here.

There are also thousands of us behind the scenes.

But whether we are at the front, or at the back of the battle, we are ALL on the same team... thus we should be heartening, not disparaging, Mr. Apuzzo.

Again, Mr. Apuzzo has good reason to be a little sensitive after what Jedi Pauly -- unnecessarily in my opinion -- wrote.

In fact, I think he has shown a commendable restraint.

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[STE=Q]

Keep in mind that infighting among ourselves gives comfort to the enemy.

Let’s focus on how we can get the usurper out of the White House before he destroys what’s left of our republic.

Any way, I’m tired and need to hit the sack.

Good night all!

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[patlin]

The entire crux of this NBC issue is "jus soli" citizenship & the "Right of Expatriation". They are wholly incompatible. It is THAT SIMPLE, when the US adopted the ancient common law that every man, being born free, retains the right of expatriation, they in that on proclamation, renounced any form of feudal law of "jus soli" citizenship that existed in America. Vattel didn't invent this concept and it was NOT his works alone that define it as Wilson stated:

English law has its roots in Anglo-Saxon customs, which were too firmly established to be completely broken by the Norman Conquest and still form the basis of their common law today. In 1068, having at last reduced the country to submission, William set to work to establish a Roman government on a firm and lasting basis. Roman law, the legal system of ancient Rome is now the basis of civil law, one of the main European legal systems...You will be pleased to hear, that, with regard to this as well as to many other subjects, we have renewed, in our governments, the principles and the practice of the ancient Saxons.

In ancient time, England & Germany were one. Now fast forward to 1868: US State Dept & US House documents, otherwise publ. as Executive documents...By United States Congress House

PERIOD! END OF ARGUMENT! You make things so complicated, you can't even keep it straight sometimes.

[patlin]

I'm not in-fighting, I merely stated my opinion in which Mario took notice of to give me a tongue lashing that was out of order.

I really have a hard time with lawyers who think they, and only they know it all. Especially when they refuse to even learn the heritage of our founders. The heritage in which our entire system & laws are based upon as well as many nations of the world, including Vattel’s.

Vattel is VERY important, but he is a mere spec in the pages of philosophers, legal treatises & MANY BOOKS ON ENGLISH HISTORY including that of the SAXONS that are recorded in the journals of the Continental Congress, Constitutional Convention as well as the US Congress.

[ramjet767]

Mr. Apuzzo: You should not waste your time debating Patlin and her DoppelGanger user ids which seem to magically follow her around the internet seconding anything she says. She seems to enjoy building herself and her annoited ones up at the expense of pushing others down and putting others down. She does it repeatedly. I have heard she is Leo Donofrio’s sister. Not sure about that. I have also heard she is a lawyer but not a practicing one. Not sure about that either. But what I do know from observing her in this site is that she likes to crow a lot about her alleged contributions at the expense of putting down the contributions of others. She likes to talk the talk but not walk the walk. She wants credit all the time but gives none herself to other major contributors and battlers in the legal arena such as you Mr. Apuzzo. If she was so knowledgeable about the issues why has she not retained a lawyer, if not one herself, such as her much admired Leo Donofrio or someone else to take her case, in the last year and filed her own case against Obama to help defend the constitution instead of bragging in a blog about how much she has done all the while tearing down the work of others who are actively fighting in the court system to save the republic. Probably Leo Donofrio would not take a case from her anyway even if she asked since he too likely knows that she is all talk on a blog and no walk the walk in real life.

[patlin]

Talk about living in an imaginary world! Now that’s funny! I have never hidden who I am...

http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/

[STE=Q]

PING!!!

IMPORTANT UPDATE:

Jed Pauly says:

Monday, November 8, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Dear readers;

“Apparently I have made a mistake of mistaken identity. I had been corresponding with a ‘Doctor Conspiracy’ who I had believed was Mario Apuzzo. Due to this mistaken identity error on my part, I misstated Mario Apuzzo’s position and included him in my Article and I should not have included him. Apparently Mario and I are on the same page now and he seems to be saying essentially the same things that I am saying. I apologize for this confusion and I have asked Sharon to edit my Article to remove any reference to Mario Apuzzo.”

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/11/04/the-true-meaning-and-interpretation-of-article-ii-natural-born-citizen/

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[Danae]

WOAH! Yea, I can confirm that for you! Dr. Conspiracy and M. Apuzzo are NOT the same person. Not by half.

Dr. Con isn’t even familiar with the writings of Ben Franklin and G. Washington and the other founders who concluded that none but a Natural Born Citizen, someone of Undivided loyalties could singularly command the armies.

In fact, I have to go through my link lists and get his some of the letters that I and others have found. I think they are all listed here in various posts... I just have not had time to get that done. I should send him a letter and tell him I am not going to have time until after Thanksgiving. I have a final and a course project to do in the next two weeks and I have 14 at least coming for dinner on Thanksgiving I have to plan for and get ready.... And I have a wicked cold I don’t have time to lay in bed with. My kids are happy tho, I have lost my voice..... >.<

Anyone want to do me a huge favor and post up some links??

[Danae]

Dear Mr. Apuzzo,

First THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND RESEARCH! We owe you a debt that cannot be paid. Thank you!

This being said, there are certain ... persons here who deliberately engage in obfuscation. Their purpose is to confuse and to mislead. My experience is that you cannot win against them because like sponges and brick walls, they are incapable of being anything other than the mentally squishy yet hard headed paid mules they are.

It is their job to engage in these nay-saying tactics. They aren’t interested in being correct, they are interested in throwing just enough truth around to sound credible and confuse people. Trust me I have been burned by such as these more than once (NO ONE MENTIONS POLARIK OK GUYS!!!?).

The best we can do is to clearly state our case using the fewest words possible with the fewest number of syllables. Bullet points and numbering comments does seem to irritate them for some reason....

I have followed your work for a long time now, and I am sincere in saying, you give me hope for the future! Don’t let the birther-lice get to you. They have a vested interest in your failure. The rest of America has a vested interest in your success!

God speed to you... nd from your filings to God’s eyes, keep up the fantastic work you have been doing!

[STARWISE]

Ditto! You’re doing God’s work. Prayers that all
your perseverence and diligent efforts produce a
successful result, and the vital preservation of our
Founders’ purposeful and clear intentions of whom
shall be worthy to qualify for the office of president
of this great nation, under our Constitution.

God shed His grace, wisdom and courage on the SCOTUS.

[DoctorBulldog]

Thanks for the update.

Cheers

[patlin]

THX for the update. I'll continue to wait for the P&E to add back in the correction/retraction regarding Mario. I have a pet peeve against changing an article after the fact & hiding mistakes as if they never existed.

This kind of cover-up is journalism at its lowest.

FYI...I do respect Mario's work and have cited him several times, but that does not mean his work is ALL inclusive & final. He has yet to really dig into the family heritage of the founders and what sent them in the direction they chose. Their heritages from many nations IS main reason they relied so much on Vattel, Locke, Sidney, Pufendorf, etc & they also took the time to research the history of ALL the nations of the settlers, not just that of England as recorded in congressional archives. The former due to the fact that they were dealing with 13 sovereign nation states & the latter for knowledge on unchanging & unilateral natural common law passed down from the beginning of time, hence the heavy reliance on the bible.