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Beethoven
2010/11/05 | WesternCulture

Posted on 11/04/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by WesternCulture

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To: WesternCulture

Let’s rebuild the World.

In 1785, Schiller nurtured a vision of brave men giving up their silly complaints of worldly matters and becoming men of substance.

True individuals seeking to change the world around them instead of constantly crying over everything discomforting them are to be honored.

I don’t exactly cry tears over Prince’s (the Symbol’s) failed agreements with record companies.


41 posted on 11/04/2010 8:37:19 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Ramius

I’m fagged and going to spatchka. Dobby Nochy!


42 posted on 11/04/2010 8:38:42 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“Beethoven is the greatest composer ever. Period.”

Yes, but please don’t forget Schiller was some kind of poet.

Beethoven would have bowed down to Schiller.


43 posted on 11/04/2010 8:40:32 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: BBell

A fantastic label, orchestra, and conductor - however controversial.


44 posted on 11/04/2010 8:42:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: WesternCulture; a fool in paradise

Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer. Period. Chuck Berry is a musical genius. Pedestrianism and conventional wisdom are the enemies of thought!


45 posted on 11/04/2010 8:43:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: 50mm

Droogie bump. Let freedom ring.


46 posted on 11/04/2010 8:46:32 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...unbrainwashed free will to listen to Ludwig!)
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To: Revolting cat!; WesternCulture
Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer.

Balderdash! Everybody knows that Barry Manilow is the greatest composer! Ray Stevens is a musical genius.

47 posted on 11/04/2010 8:47:57 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

OK, OK, what about the lyricist? Don’t give me no Schiller, I vote for Barry Mann: “Who put the Bomp...”, etc...


48 posted on 11/04/2010 8:49:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: catfish1957
Freepers who are musicians like myself can point to the musical genius of Beethoven as proof of God. No entity could randomly provide the talent that provides such complexity and beauty. Listening especially the 3rd movement of his 5th almost transposes me into a different realm of thought.

Yes. I wish FR had a "like" button as Facebook does so I could click "like" on this wise post of yours.

49 posted on 11/04/2010 8:51:45 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Revolting cat!

Best composer: Duke Ellington


50 posted on 11/04/2010 8:54:25 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Revolting cat!

“Burt Bacharach is the greatest composer. Period. Chuck Berry is a musical genius. Pedestrianism and conventional wisdom are the enemies of thought!”

Let’s talk “genious”.

Jimmy Hendrix vs Chuck Berry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPtHv48e1No

- What Hendrix did to rock’n’roll - a revolution in itself - words can’t describe.


51 posted on 11/04/2010 8:56:09 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: ottbmare
Thanks so much. If interested, this may be the best 9 minutes that you spend tonight.

Karajan- 5th, 4th mvt.

52 posted on 11/04/2010 8:59:49 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: WesternCulture

Are you at work at this hour in Sweden?

As far as Hendrix, read some of the reviews of his discs on Amazon, written by a younger generation of listeners. They are not as impressed, and manage to articulate their criticisms convincingly. Listen to Bill Frisell.


53 posted on 11/04/2010 9:01:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: catfish1957
Hopefully youtube will reinstate HVK’s 9th symphony performance. I don't know where or when it was performed but judging by the attire and glasses it was late 60’s or 70’s in Europe. Two parts, 30 plus minute each. The cinematography was outstanding, even with youtube’s grainiest. I'd like to find it on DVD. I had it bookmarked but it disappeared last year I think.
54 posted on 11/04/2010 9:10:06 PM PDT by BBell
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To: catfish1957

I invested the nine minutes (frantically conducting in front of the laptop, lol). Not exactly the first time I’ve ever heard that particular recording: my late father, a middle-European whose cultural center was Wien, often played it on LP disks.

Of course, my personal favorite for this was Sir Georg Solti and the CSO.


55 posted on 11/04/2010 9:17:40 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: WesternCulture
What was the point of “Immortal Beloved” according to you?

Two things: 1) Beethoven was the first musician to break out of the "musicians are servants" attitude that the aristocracy held (in the 18th century, Haydn was treated as such: he ate and slept in the servant's quarters; Beethoven ate and slept with some of Europe's most eligible female nobility). 2) He suffered terribly from his deafness, yet his genius channeled the pain into some of the most beautiful and transcendent compositions mankind has known.

Everything else in the movie was just a vessel for these two messages.

56 posted on 11/05/2010 4:02:48 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: northwinds

Indeed it does. The purpose of war is to kill people and break things until the enemy sues for peace. Killing civilians is a good way to make the populace desire that very peace and turn against their warmongering overlords.

This is a fact of war. Stop whining.


57 posted on 11/05/2010 4:18:13 AM PDT by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: TheOldLady

Then I suppose you support the fact that the Nazis killed lots of Jewish civilians who the Nazis considered their sworn enemies.....I guess it was a “good way to make the populace desire peace”....after all the purpose of war is to kill people, including civilians, according to you...whether they are at Auswitch or Dresden.


58 posted on 11/05/2010 12:34:07 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: Amadeo

Yeah, we Americans are idiots. I must have missed the Swedish man on the moon. Or the Swedish iPod. Or the Swedish Personal Computer.

The swedes make nice blondes.

Stick to what you know.

Or we will drop a smart bomb on you.


59 posted on 11/05/2010 12:43:04 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: COBOL2Java

I preferred John Belushi's portrayal.

60 posted on 11/05/2010 12:45:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers -Thanks for a great season.)
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