Posted on 11/02/2010 6:06:02 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Can you edit out the Greek words in the definition posted 74. I tried and failed. thanks.
I could black them out if you want but it may look worse.
“A natural born citizen is born from other members of its class..citizens of the United States. A natural born citizen cannot be spurious...born from US and foreign citizens.”
The word spurious comes from the Romans..the child is spurious if born from a Roman citizen and a foreigner. The child cannot be a Roman citizen and was considered no better than a slave. This comes from Livy.
Did the Founders read Livy. Jefferson read everything and he could read in the original Latin and Greek when he was a child.
The Founders read the Greek and Roman classics. Aristotle tells us a citizen comes from two citizen parents. Perciles had a two citizen parent law in Athens.
Rome had a two citizen parent law. The Romans had another definition for a child of parents of two different countries..it is mongrel.
Homer tells us .beware having foreigners as soldiers. Homer also tells us..to be beware having to many foreigners in the city..Troy had many.
The Roman empereor Caracalla granted citizenship to the foreigners in the Empire..he did this to obtain more revenue from taxes to keep up with his public spending.
This was the beginning of the downfall of the Roman Empire.
The Founders knew this. Plus they had the Law of Nations.
Why would they want..Obama eligible to be President. The son of a foreigner.
On 28 December 1784 the Maryland General Assembly passed a resolution stating that The Marquis de La Fayette and his male heirs “forever shall be...natural born Citizens” of the state. This made him a natural born citizen of the United States under the Articles of Confederation and as defined in Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution. In 1803 and 1804 President Jefferson offered to make him Governor of Louisiana, and in 1932, a Lafayette descendant René de Chambrun established his American citizenship based on the Maryland resolution.
want to see.the greek word in a translator.
Wrong. A jpg on a website says this - not the state of Hawaii.
Even the outgoing Republican Governor of Hawai’i says that.
The outgoing Governor of Hawaii lied about the DOH making a statement that Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital. Why do you hang your hat on the words that are obvious lies??
As you may have noticed, Obama doesn’t need to prove where he was born, those who oppose his eligibility have the burden of proof.
No, actually all they have to do is challenge his eligibility under ballot laws such as the one in Hawaii. The burden of proof is still on Obama.
There’s no sense in repeating myself, I said and I mean that James Madison’s words are definitive for me: place of birth to determine allegiance is what holds in the United States and “therefore it is unnecessary to examine any other.”
Mr. Cherry Picker, Madison's words don't stop at this point, as I've shown you three times now. He was explaining that Mr. Smith was eligible for the House, not the presidency.
Thank you Mr. Madison!
What?? Mr. Madison didn't write the Wong Kim Ark decision. What you quoted supports MY argument because it only talks about Constitutional 14th amendment citizenship. Natural born citizenship according to that same legal decision is from OUTSIDE the Constitution. "In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." Read again what YOU quoted. "But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution."
Now to help you really understand, we'll cut out the extraneous language and put these definitions side-by-side.
"The Constitution does not ... say who shall be natural-born citizens."
" ... citizenship by birth is established ... under the circumstances defined in the Constitution."
Do you understand yet?? NBC NOT defined in the Constitution. 14th amendment citizenship at birth IS defined in the Constitution. It's talking about TWO different concepts and admits they are defined two different ways: outside the Constitution for the former and inside the Constitution for the latter.
Don't thank Madison. Thank edge919 for teaching you a valuable lesson.
Ummm, technically the general assembly of Maryland (not the Founders) bestowed natural born citizenship status of the state of Maryland on this person because he fought for American independence. It's inline with the intent of the grandfather clause of the U.S. constitution in Art. II Sec. I, which was to allow those who fought for U.S. independence to serve as the new nation's president. Second, this resolution bestows NBC status on LaFayette's heirs, which shows these people believed that NBC is a reflection of jus sanguinis birthright. You've just shot your usual faither argument in La Foote. Is that what you intended?? In case anyone is interested, a resolution was passed in 2002 to recognize LaFayette as an honorary U.S citizen. Evidently they didn't consider the Maryland naturalization Act to be binding on a national level.
“The Founders bestowed natural born citizenship status upon a person with no American parents”
A Natural Born Citizen is not created by any statute or coronation.
That should have been to the 777 person....sorry.
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