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Prop 19: Amsterdam Psychiatrist Blasts US Drug Czars for Distortions, Fear-Mongering
MND ^ | Friday, September 3, 2010 | Dr. Frederik Polak

Posted on 10/25/2010 4:09:48 AM PDT by KDD

To the Editors of the Los Angeles Times:

The recent Op-Ed authored by current and former American “drug czars” once again misrepresented the Dutch experience with cannabis “coffee shops” as a warning to Americans about removing cannabis from the black market.

First, they refer to “Amsterdam’s ‘coffee shop’ marijuana sales.” Cannabis coffee shops are not just restricted to Amsterdam. Local councils have the right to decide whether or not to allow coffee shops, and they can be found in more than 50 cities and towns across the country, not just in tourist centers, like the capital. Some coffeeshops have even been established by local councils, because the situation without decriminalized access to cannabis for adults was worse.

Right now, only the retail sale of five grams is tolerated, so black market production remains a problem, just as it is in the US. The mayors of a majority of the cities with coffeeshops have urged the national government to also decriminalize growth, wholesale and transport – the supply side.

A poll taken earlier this year indicated that some 50% of the Dutch population thinks cannabis should be fully legalized while only 25% wanted a complete ban.

Second, while it is true that the number of coffee shops has fallen from its peak of around 2,500 throughout the country, there are still more than 700 – if that is a “few hundred”, then okay.

Third, the problems with “drug tourists” are largely confined to cities and small towns near our borders with Germany and Belgium. These problems, mostly involving traffic jams, are at least as much the result of cannabis prohibition in our neighboring countries as they are the result of Dutch tolerance.

Fourth, “public nuisance problems” with the coffee shops are minimal when compared with bars, as is demonstrated by the rarity of calls for the police for problems at coffee shops.

Fifth, it is true that lifetime and “past-month” use rates did increase back in the seventies and eighties, but the Czars shamefully failed to report that there were comparable and larger increases in cannabis use in our neighboring countries which continued complete prohibition.

Most outrageously, the drug czars ignore the well known and undisputed statistics that show that Dutch use of cannabis remains about half that of the US and is comparable to – or less than – use in our neighboring countries with more repressive policies. Moreover, Dutch heroin use rates are also less than half of US rates. We attribute that fact to what we call the “separation of the markets” for hard and soft drugs.

My organization, ENCOD, European Coalition for Just and Effective Drug Policies, spreads the scientifically based claim that the theory of prohibition has been falsified by the Dutch experience with cannabis decriminalization.

It is my firm belief that the American people, and certainly Californians, would support decriminalizing drugs and regulating drug markets, if only they knew that the drug problem in their country is much worse than in countries with more liberal policies. The problem is that Americans do know that their country has a serious drug problem, but they also believe or are convinced that in the Netherlands and other European countries the situation is even worse. This is what they have heard from their governments and drug czars.

There is a tradition of lies being told by US officials, especially about the Netherlands. An earlier drug czar, I believe it was Lee Brown, warned that visiting Amsterdam means stumbling over junkies in the center of town. In 1998, just before the start of a “fact-finding mission” to the Netherlands, then US Drug Czar General Barry McCaffrey claimed that Dutch drug policy was an “unmitigated disaster”. He claimed that the U.S. had less than half the murder rate of the Netherlands — 8.22 murders per 100,000 people in 1995 compared to 17.58 in the Netherlands. “That’s drugs,” he explained.

The Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics issued a special press release explaining that the actual Dutch murder rate is 1.8 per 100,000 people, or less than one-quarter the U.S. murder rate.

It is not known whether McCaffrey understood the implications of the link which he implied between murder rate and drug policy for the American situation.

I hope that the American people will at least have access to accurate information when they decide what cannabis policies will work best. Americans have not ceased to be smart or pragmatic. They have been systematically misled. If they absorb the knowledge about the state of the drug problem in their own country and elsewhere, I cannot imagine that they will continue to support drug prohibition.

Dr. Frederik Polak Amsterdam Psychiatrist President of ENCOD, European Coalition for Just and Effective Drug Policies


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To: philman_36

“They’re not in the movement for the rights of the individual or the unconstitutional manner of prohibition, they’re in it for the potential profit. “

Profit? Horrors!!!!


21 posted on 10/25/2010 6:04:54 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: KDD

Justice Thomas, dissenting.

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.


22 posted on 10/25/2010 6:05:58 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: cripplecreek

Even a broken clock is right twoce a day.


23 posted on 10/25/2010 6:06:06 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Most outrageously, the drug czars ignore the well known and undisputed statistics that show that Dutch use of cannabis remains about half that of the US and is comparable to – or less than – use in our neighboring countries with more repressive policies. Moreover, Dutch heroin use rates are also less than half of US rates. We attribute that fact to what we call the “separation of the markets” for hard and soft drugs.

As far as I know the average (NB! - i.e. even though most Californians probably don't consume cannabis, the math evens out this way) Californian consumes more dollars worth of Cannabis than fruits and vegetables.

Talk about inflated prices!
24 posted on 10/25/2010 6:06:34 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: philman_36

“And knowing that these groups/financiers want to own and run Medical Marijuana Dispensaries means nothing to you?
They’re not in the movement for the rights of the individual or the unconstitutional manner of prohibition, they’re in it for the potential profit. “

this is why socialism always fails: Even the socialists are in it for the profit. It is the socialists have it backwards. It is the socialists who will sell the capitalists the tools for burying the socialists.


25 posted on 10/25/2010 6:07:50 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: philman_36

Soros supports wide open legalization because he likes easily controlled drug sodden morons.


26 posted on 10/25/2010 6:09:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Daveinyork
It isn't just the profits, it's also the way in which they're manipulating the proposed laws.
Just like any special interest group they're shaping it to benefit themselves and not everyone.
It's wrong on principal.
27 posted on 10/25/2010 6:14:08 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Daveinyork

My price is apparently a lot higher than yours.


28 posted on 10/25/2010 6:14:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
It is always humorus to see Soros portrayed as some kind of Lex Luther of Capitalism. Though he strongly supported the medical marijuana prop. which passed in California, proponents of 19 have complained that he has kept his wallet shut for this one.
29 posted on 10/25/2010 6:18:56 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: cripplecreek
I know you've got a thing about Soros. I'm not keen on the man either, ya know.

Soros supports wide open legalization because he likes easily controlled drug sodden morons.
That being said...thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion.
At least try to figure out the reason why he does what he does instead of posting brain dead inanities. You're better than that.

30 posted on 10/25/2010 6:19:31 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: KDD

Its always humorous to listen to you drug sodden morons speak with a mouth full of little george.


31 posted on 10/25/2010 6:22:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: philman_36

It allows individual grows. If you don’t like the makeup of the market you can opt out of it and produce your own.


32 posted on 10/25/2010 6:23:25 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD
Thanks for the link. Good site - I will now have to add it to my reading list.
Another of the unfortunate instances of the WOD has been the confiscation of peoples monies when stopped during normal transit to & from legitimate business dealings and the "windfall peaches" of confiscation of property by LEOs acting without regard to the Constitutional laws regarding private property.
All part & parcel of the hideous WOD foisted upon the American populace - condoned, continued and supported by the "legal" system.
33 posted on 10/25/2010 6:27:40 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: KDD
Though he strongly supported the medical marijuana prop. which passed in California, proponents of 19 have complained that he has kept his wallet shut for this one.
That's because of the way 19 is worded! He wouldn't benefit from it through dispensaries so he didn't back it.

Marijuana in California: Prop. 19 won't stop federal drug enforcement
Should California voters approve Proposition 19, legalizing personal marijuana growth, use, and distribution on Nov. 2, the federal government says it will still prosecute violators of federal drug laws in the state.
Snip...Prop. 19 would allow Californians 21 and older to grow up to 25 square feet of cannabis plants, and to possess up to an ounce of marijuana.

No cornered market through dispensaries if everyone over 21 can grow it for personal use.

34 posted on 10/25/2010 6:28:16 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: KDD
It allows individual grows. If you don’t like the makeup of the market you can opt out of it and produce your own.
See #34. He didn't want to support it because of the language. He is a manipulative jerk wad!
35 posted on 10/25/2010 6:30:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
He is #35 on Forbes richest list. Looking at the rest of the list I can see some wealthy conservatives who devote much of their resources to their causes. I salute them for putting their money where their mouth is. They have more money then Soros and use it well to counteract his agenda. I don't need a bogeyman. I already have one...our government.
36 posted on 10/25/2010 6:51:36 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: cripplecreek
I would really like to see a response from you regarding my replies #34/#35.
Does it make sense or not? Can you see how he's manipulating the issue?
37 posted on 10/25/2010 6:52:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
From the growers up in Humbolt county to the medical dispensaries in Oakland, there is a lot of “I've got mine” opposition to 19.
38 posted on 10/25/2010 6:55:31 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: cripplecreek

“My price is apparently a lot higher than yours.”

Is your price the violation of the US Constitution?


39 posted on 10/25/2010 6:55:40 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: KDD
They have more money then Soros and use it well to counteract his agenda.
What, in your opinion, is his agenda?
40 posted on 10/25/2010 6:57:38 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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