Posted on 10/16/2010 5:27:24 PM PDT by Reeses
After the murder and decapitation of one of their own, Mexican investigators are calling off the search for David Hartley's body, temporarily at least.
So, is it case closed? Is STRATFOR's theory -- that Hartley was gunned down by Zeta thugs who believed he was a scout for the rival Gulf Cartel -- correct?
Perhaps. But we are still in befuddlement at some the statements Tiffany Young-Hartley has given the media over the past two weeks, as well as some other elements of the case. First, there's that whole magic bullet thing, where she claims to have seen her husband lifted over the handlebars of his speeding jet-ski by the kill-shot that ripped through his head, a scenario that would appear to violate some basic laws of physics.
And then there are five more strange ones To wit:
1.Her Christ-like empathy toward her doubters.
"I have to put myself in their view that I can understand why they would think that, but...it is true and he is over there and I know I know the pirates or whoever did this have him."
If you saw your spouse killed and the authorities openly doubted your account, would you be able to find the compassion inside yourself to empathize with your doubters?
2. Young-Hartley also seems to believe God himself helped her craft an alibi:
"We have points of being pulled over and being at Subway with the border patrol seeing us there. It just, you know, shows my story that, yeah, David and I were there together, we were at the boat launch together, you know, we had got stopped and Subway and that, you know, everything happened exactly the way I've been telling you guys.
"Me being a Christian and believing in God, I believe he lined all that up; he lined up the traffic stop, he lined up us going to Subway and having the Border Patrol there so my story would be supported by events that happened," she said.
(Did He also line up Hartley's face in the pirate's gunsights?)
It's interesting how closely Tiffany's account mirrors that of "the Good Samaritan," the completely anonymous sole eyewitness to these events. Masked and with his voice disguised, the Good Samaritan had this to say to TV station KRGV: "He believes he was meant to be at Falcon Lake that day. He believes God put him there to help Hartley. He was at the right place at the right time."
3. Three's the matter of the lie detector.
After telling CNN "If that's what the authorities think I need to do, then that might be an option," she has done an about-face and claimed that there is no need.
4. The strange 911 call.
Dr Lillian Glass is a body-language expert. During a conversation with Hair Balls yesterday, she put us on call-waiting so she could firm up a training session with the Los Angeles Police Department -- she says she helps train their detectives on ferreting out deception.
One of the many, many things that has alarmed her about Young-Hartley's demeanor and statements over the past couple of weeks was the very first word she uttered when she called 911. Namely, she said "Hello." In her view, that is not the action of a truly frantic person. She says that people who are genuinely terrified or distraught simply launch right into the reason they dialed 911 -- they don't take the time to exchange pleasantries or salutations.
5. The Hartleys financial situation.
On March 7, Tiffany Young-Hartley posted on her Facebook page that she and David had driven from Reynosa to San Antonio to hear debt counselor / financial advisor Dave Ramsey speak. "Even better in person then on the radio," she wrote. "If you get a chance to see him live 'GO'. He has helped so many people get out of debt and stay on a budget that works. Luckily we are ahead of the game, but now were on track for our future."
Apparently that future arrived fast, because on April 23, she reported that she and her husband were about to take a Carnival cruise to Jamaica, Grand Cayman and Cozumel.
In early June, she was buying an entire houseful of furniture for their new digs in McAllen, where the couple had just been sent by David's employer CalFrac Well Services. The cartel violence in their former home of Reynosa had risen to unacceptable levels, it was later explained.
At any rate, Young-Hartley and David did not enjoy the nesting process: "This is a long process and doesn't help that David and I don't have the same taste," she wrote. "So agreeing on anything is almost impossible. I think were each going to take a room and decorate it ourselves. Furnishing a whole house is no fun....."
A couple of weeks later, the fateful Jet-Skis make their first appearance:
"Got to enjoy the Jet Skies this morning then Davids skie broke, so our trip was cut short" And Young-Hartley also wrote that she hoped their stay in McAllen would last longer than seven months.
Just a few days before their disastrous trip to Falcon Lake, Young-Hartley gushed about her wonderful husband and their recent trip to Key West, a jaunt which included a diving expedition.
And at some point during that time, it was decided that Hartley's services in South Texas were no longer required. He would be getting some sort of transfer back to Colorado, where both of them were from. It was very vague, and Tiffany said that the two of them would likely be living in a hotel until the kinks were worked out.
So, in the six or seven months after driving about 500 miles round-trip to attend a session of Financial Peace University, the couple furnished a home, took two pretty fantastic vacations, bought two Jet-Skis, and planned a cross-country move and extended hotel stay, all as the husband lost his oil field job.
It waslike someone posting "Went to my first AA meeting" as their status and following it up days later with beer-pong pictures.
Did they simply disregard Ramsey's advice on "living on less than you make," or did they get a sudden influx of cash? And if so, where did that cash come from?
Well greetings. Nice to find someone wanting to just...well speculate.
I’ll tell you, at first I thought this was a case of insurance fraud. It might still be. Maybe her hubby’s still alive. They do know Mexico. She comes up with this story, collect insurance, they disappear somewhere deep in Mexico and live wealthily ever after.
Problem is I’m sure no sane insurance company’s going to pay out big bucks, at least any time soon, based on this weird and questionable story. Still people scam things without many brains so...could be.
Of late I’m thinking that maybe THEY were involved with Mexican drug gangs of some sort, maybe they want the Mexican drug gangs to think the guy is dead.
But that makes no sense because, well SHE’S still around.
SHE could have shot her husband in the back of the head, maybe did it on purpose on the Mexican side of this lake because she knew nobody would go looking.
If all else fails, I suppose it’s possible some Mexican drug gang shot the guy in the back of the head then came and scooped up his body and jet ski real quick.
Oh dear Lord....now SCOTT PETERSON is innocent.
They had enough evidence on him to convict ten people.
I think you’re either blotto this evening, or maybe just phocking nuts......your post makes zero sense. Sleep tight, amigo.
Obsessed.
tell me how you think he did it.
i don’t think he was smart enough to pull off the crime without leaving a shred of evidence.
We need to bring back jury nullification. Just one more victim of the civil rights era.
Sucks when the guilty walk free but our current court system is far less just than it used to be.
They call you names. So intelligent, so honest and fair.
I rest my case.
I'm outta here.
You don't speculate when a person has died and you need to find the SOB that did it. You find the path, and you follow it. The answer appears at the end.
The only other way that works is in books (Murder Mysteries) and TV (CSI, and others). Where an author sets it up, and works it backwards.
Fiction isn't reality.
Come live with me for a few weeks, and we'll experience some reality. You'll see how blood stains actually work, when you help deal with feral hogs.
Phah! You are a yankee wannabe. Wouldn't last a few days in the woods down here.
And don't have a clue how to follow a game trail. The big hint is that you don't start with where you think they are.
/johnny
Look, you’re the guy who posted “She was sniffing her nose in one of her interviews like she did a line of coke”, and folks who know about that phenomenon also usually know all about adderal.
Remember, JFK was NOT driving the car~
falcon lake
/johny
Probably just as well for you. Nitey.
See, that's the thing. When Tiffany made her 911 call, I can't recall she was desperate to have someone come and try to HELP her injured husband. I mean, she wasn't really sure he was dead.
She seemed to be reporting the incident, rather than desperately seeking immediate assistance.
I would have been begging the authorities to immediately go after him...EVEN IF he was on the Mexican side.
She should have give them the option of saying "no"..
There is another reason JFK’s shooting is a bad example. A detailed computer analysis of the Zapruder film shows that his head did start to go forward from the impact of the bullet. But he was in a car moving forward and a moment later the guy who was driving it accelerated that momentum even more. With little or no control over his body after the moment of impact that left him a limp rag doll and the forward momentum of the car cause his head to whip back. It wasn’t bullet ballistics that caused that backward motion.
That Jrandomfreeper fellow says we have no right to speculate.
Except damn, I thought this was America, Freespeech and all. It’s not like I’m an investigator or on the jury or anything. The last place you’d think someone would be condemning free speech would be on FreeRepublic.
And calling you names!
But I’ll respond to you only because you seem to think like I am.
My ouija board’s been wrong before, more than I like to admit.
But I’ll join you on the insurance fraud thing. I think her husband is still alive, I think their plan is to try and collect insurance money, I think they plan on hiding in Mexico.
I don’t think for a minute it will work but there does seem to be some form to the actions. They have this couple on video BEFORE they even entered the water. This proves they were together. I don’t know the circumstances of why they were stopped. Do you?
This alleged witness....strange. I wondered why this guy was not all showing up on the View, claiming his or her fifteen minutes. The obsessed ones say it’s because the witness is afraid that the Mexican drug Lords will kill him if his identity is known.
I guess that’s possible but.....strange is all I can say.
They don’t sound like any great Einsteins, those two. For now I’m thinking they thought they could pull some kind of scam, collect insurance, although they obviously didn’t know much about it. Insurance companies don’t just fork up big buck payoffs without a body...takes many years.
I also heard there was blood on her life vest....her husband’s blood. If so, well THAT’s an interesting development.
I’d also like to know what kind of life insurance that guy might have had on his life. I’m thinking someone somewhere has researched that factoid.
When they break up they do so at quite high speeds, so pieces bouncing off bone might seem to be entering the neck, shoulder, gut or whatever.
Her descriptions are quite representative of well-known injuries from the type of rounds used in warfare.
BTW, you get that information in your Infantry Basic about week 3 or 4 ~ usually just before you you start getting graded on hitting targets.
That suggests that the pirates (which you probably still think to be hypothetical) were using military grade weapons and rounds.
The reason you are ON THE OTHER SIDE in this one is that the woman's testimony sounds like the sort of thing that would happen if you saw a person hit with a high velocity round from a military firearm ~ and maybe hit with several rounds although my money is on the bullet bouncing and breaking rather than any automatic fire being involved ~ but I can't rule it out.
No doubt the Mexican narcotrafficantes are as bad.
Any witnesses would be well advised to keep their identities secret in this case.
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