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To: Qbert

Can we stop saying wiccans (or any group) are not violent like Islamic terrorists? It is illogical. It’s similar to the rantings of the dead atheist Bill Hicks saying, “Last I checked drug addicts aren’t violent like Christians” which is an equally absurd statement. And equally uncomfortably boring, like an entire Hick’s comedy set.

Little history. Hitler and the Nazis were obsessed with wiccan rituals, runes, witchcraft, and the occult. SS night festivals centered around a peculiar form of rituals that supposedly gave them superhuman powers. Last I checked Hitler and the Nazis managed to hate, kill, torture, enslave over 10 million for about 12 years. I think they even had time to fly a few bombs into buildings while they were playing warlock.

Point is Christine O’ Donnell’s curiosity with witchcraft is simply curiosity. Let’s stick to the fact that the establishment is employing a double-faced smear campaign against their enemies. Let’s keep on topic and stop going off on the whole “last I checked XYZ didn’t fly planes into a building” because that absurdity is fast becoming a group think mantra.

We all know that “Must have been the Amish” remains the only standard punchline when dealing with TROP.


10 posted on 09/19/2010 8:51:50 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: egannacht

I think you would enjoy “Unholy Alliance” by Peter Levenda. I’m reading it now and it is great! So many details, I’m amazed. I just discovered him earlier this year and this is my third one and I already have a fourth one on deck.

Fellow Jews - if you haven’t read this book - you need to do it now.


18 posted on 09/19/2010 9:32:02 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: egannacht

“Can we stop saying wiccans (or any group) are not violent like Islamic terrorists? It is illogical. It’s similar to the rantings of the dead atheist Bill Hicks saying, “Last I checked drug addicts aren’t violent like Christians” which is an equally absurd statement. And equally uncomfortably boring, like an entire Hick’s comedy set.

Little history. Hitler and the Nazis were obsessed with wiccan rituals, runes, witchcraft, and the occult. SS night festivals centered around a peculiar form of rituals that supposedly gave them superhuman powers. Last I checked Hitler and the Nazis managed to hate, kill, torture, enslave over 10 million for about 12 years. I think they even had time to fly a few bombs into buildings while they were playing warlock.”

I don’t disagree with your larger point regarding the double standard. But I think your supporting argument is a bit too extended. I think witchcraft, the occult, etc. is beyond goofy (and obviously deeply troubling if it leads to violence), but to imply that it was ‘warlock’ motivating their actions, while leaving out the obvious...?

I could name a ton of practices- out of context- and imply that they played a important role in Nazi Germany: Hitler’s vegetarianism, his anti-smoking beliefs, the fact that he turned a blind eye initially to the homosexuals that led the SA, etc.. Heck, the Nazis even adopted a symbol that was used by certain Native American tribes (who may have practiced scalping)...

None of these practices or symbols out of context of course created the underlying root of anti-Semitism. It may be near impossible to separate the horrible emotional impact of these symbols and practices from what happened- the same way that it’s difficult to listen to “Helter Skelter” without immediately thinking of the Manson murders. But the fact that something is co-opted and perverted by sick minds to attempt to justify or further mass murder, doesn’t mean that a practice, symbol, or song has a negative connotation in a vacuum. (As for somebody going around using Swastikas or playing Helter Skelter *now* after the fact...well, that’s a completely different situation, of course.)

And I think we could agree that the Nazis had a lot more in common with Islamic Jihad than 1600’s American witchcraft practices...


24 posted on 09/19/2010 11:33:25 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: egannacht
The campaign manager should have said "watch the tape', it's worth a thousand words.

If you watch the tape in it's entirety, as I did, it's nothing more than entertainment, of 3 liberals pouncing on a young conservative. Hosted by screwball Mayer.

I hope they play all the tapes, IMO O'Donnell comes out on top.

27 posted on 09/19/2010 11:55:02 AM PDT by duckln
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