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1 posted on 09/08/2010 11:15:08 PM PDT by GracieB
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With this arrogant administration's contempt for the Constitution, I doubt this will cause even a ripple. It should! But will it?

vaudine

2 posted on 09/08/2010 11:17:50 PM PDT by vaudine
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Damn, I hope this works out.


3 posted on 09/08/2010 11:18:24 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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Freepers have been pointing this out for a couple of weeks now, at least. Why’s this such a revelation?


4 posted on 09/08/2010 11:18:35 PM PDT by alancarp (Please don't tell Obama what comes after "trillion")
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To: GracieB
Our country is just full of Constitutional scallops these days.

(I don't mean the woman who is challenging the court's standing here.)

I believe this point has been brought up on FR but I don't recall who or what thread.

8 posted on 09/08/2010 11:38:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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So that means Holder has to file with the Supreme Court to sue Arizona and they are not in session till October. Does the other ruling stand until then or is it wiped away immediately and therefore the law goes into affect?

I’m sure they will have at least 4 Justices agree to take the case. Kagen, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsberg without a doubt will sign on.


10 posted on 09/08/2010 11:42:48 PM PDT by Steelers6
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Article written by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Plenty has been written explaining the distinction between “jurisdiction” and “exclusive jursidiction”. The Supreme Court has jurisdiction to hear it, but so do the district courts, and the Supreme Court will never take it until it works its way through the normal process.


11 posted on 09/08/2010 11:45:04 PM PDT by Defiant (Liberals care more about the Koran than they did about Terri Schiavo.)
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IIRC the District Courts were created by the First Congress to relieve the Supreme Court of being a trial court and are more or less subordinate bodies of the Supreme Court.

That said, USC TITLE 28, PART IV, CHAPTER 81,§ 1251 states that the Supreme Court has Original - but NOT exclusive - jurisdiction in such matters.

USC TITLE 28, PART IV, CHAPTER 85, § 1345 gives shared jurisdiction to the District Courts.

So this is likely much ado about nothing ....


12 posted on 09/08/2010 11:47:59 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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This is old news, by about a month.
As I recall, the DOJ response was the citing of some old law (Not a Constitutional Amendment,) which granted exceptions to the Federal government to ignore "Article III, Sec. 2, clause 2..."

And the issue then quietly faded.

13 posted on 09/09/2010 1:23:18 AM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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16 posted on 09/09/2010 4:02:18 AM PDT by bcsco (From Recovery Summer to The Winter of our Discontent...)
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I have to say that, personally, I find it rather drole that anyone thinks the government any longer gives a rat’s *ss about the principles laid out in the constitution.


17 posted on 09/09/2010 4:04:38 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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I made that observation in the first comment I made on the first post I saw regarding the suit even before it was “decided.” Why Arizona is going along with the false ruling is a total mystery.


18 posted on 09/09/2010 4:15:11 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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There is a constitutional problem with federal judges overreaching their authority over the States. It has some interesting twists and turns.

To start with, federal judges can overturn State laws deemed unconstitutional. However, federal judges have taken it further, way beyond their authority, by doing things like ordering States to appropriate money for things the judge wants, and creating special masters to force State compliance. This is wholly unconstitutional.

Even deeper into the constitution, the SCOTUS has in past ruled both that laws passed by congress supersede laws passed by State legislatures, and that federal judges overrule State judges. However, the SCOTUS has *never* ruled that the president can overrule the orders of State governors.

This means that going way back, when the president was in conflict with a governor, and neither side would bend, the president used “force of arms”, the US military, to get what he wanted. This was done most notoriously by president Jackson, against the efforts of South Carolina to nullify a federal tariff; and president Eisenhower, to force school integration in the high school in Little Rock.

Federal intrusiveness into the authority of the States, as well as the willingness of federal judges to hear any and every case that comes before them, no matter how redundant or nonsensical, which overburdens the Supreme Court, may result in an interesting constitutional amendment, a “second court” of the United States.

100 State judges, appointed by the States, as a judicial equivalent to the US Senate, would be the senior appellate court for cases originating from the States, about 8,000 a year, of which the Supreme Court can only hear a tiny handful.

This could be the final say of the States against runaway lower federal judges.

A simple majority of 51 could overturn any federal appellate court decision, which could still be appealed to the SCOTUS. However, if the State judges reached a 2/3rds consensus, or 67 votes, it could not be appealed. And if they reached a 3/4ths consensus, or 75 votes, the *subject* of that case would be excluded from future federal judicial review.

That is, in a manner of speaking, this Second Court of the United States, could be like a permanently seated constitutional convention solely for the judicial branch, to prevent federal judges, and judicial precedent, from running roughshod over the States.

This would correct a constitutional problem based on congress determining both the size and scope of the federal judiciary, but without having the information and familiarity they need to do so, which has resulted in a stultified court system ruled more by precedent than by law, and stuck in a 19th Century organization.


19 posted on 09/09/2010 4:18:47 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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If this is in fact true, seems to me The honorable judge Bolton is in desperate need of impeachment and removal for judicial malfeasance.


21 posted on 09/09/2010 4:23:23 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons! How does one clean a phase 4 plasma rifle)
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Unless I’m mistaken congress amended federal law to allow US District Courts to hold concurrent original jurisdiction over cases involving ambassadors


24 posted on 09/09/2010 5:43:42 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (We've lost control of our own borders, and no nation can do that and survive-Ronald Reagan)
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This has been around for a while; it’s dreck.


25 posted on 09/09/2010 5:57:16 AM PDT by Grut
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