Why Pelosi Signed Two Certificates of Nomination

Sept 8, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[justiceseeker93]

OJ Simpson was acquitted in a criminal trial and convicted in a civil one...

I know what you are driving at, but no one can be "convicted" in a civil trial. Simpson was held liable for damages due to the surviving relatives of his victims.

[butterdezillion]

Interesting use of the 10th Amendment. I had not thought of that, but it makes sense as a basis for “the people” to have standing to challenge the Constitutional eligibility of a candidate or president.

The trouble is that the courts add other requirements for standing, besides the Constitution’s power given to the people in general. The “standing” requirements are that the suing party has to suffer particularized, material, individual harm that can be remedied by the courts. (Somebody correct me if I’m remembering inaccurately here).

Ultimately I think there’s something holding the judges back. I think the judges are putting out deliberate red flags to signal that something is very wrong. They’re flying the flag upside-down as a signal of distress. I think we’re seeing it as a signal of contempt, but the more I think about it, the more I think it is a signal of distress. Somebody has scared them into submission against their will, like they scared Bush and Cheney to push the TARP thing and to skip the vote contest question against their wills.

I can’t prove it; it’s just speculation. But nothing makes sense otherwise.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Wow, interesting post!

[butterdezillion]

I hear where you’re coming from. Something definitely has to give. No nation can survive the level of corruption that we’ve got. The question is how we’re going to fall and whether and how we get back up.

I think the communists and Islamists have united, and unless factions within those groups splinter off and fight the rest (such as China looking out for its own economic interests over and above the Islamists or Soros whom they hate, for instance), America and the known free world may have a really rough ride ahead.

But I definitely have a limited view so all I can do is wait and see what happens, and prepare myself to be ready for whatever decisions I might have to make.

[Tedro]

For most of the states the certifications were the same in all the years.

So Hawaii wasn't the only one to change then? Shouldn't this fact lend more credence to the likelihood of simply a somewhat arbitrary change?

The bigger question - as I said in the post - is why the HDP didn’t certify eligibility in 2008.

Whether or not it was certified by the HDP isn't an issue at all, the issue is whether or not it was verified, which I doubt the HDP did. Pelosi clearly certified that he was eligible on the first DNC document, but it is highly unlikely that she actually verified anything; instead she merely took the eligibility for granted, just like so many others. We know for a fact that the MSM didn't verify anything, but they clearly de facto certified him. I'm curious to see these HDP documents when you get them up, but I'm sorry I just don't see there being an actual issue here. If indeed Obama was not born in Hawaii, I just don't think the conspiracy is as widespread in the government as some of you other's believe. I find it much more likely that it's a widespread case of arrogance and naivety but not that of intent (for most), much like that in the general population.

[melancholy]

I’m very bad and/or unlucky when I search for something! LOL!

However, here is an answer to a post of mine from FReeper caww about the pastor and Al gore!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2584291/posts?page=270#270

You were also pinged on my original post where I explored the regime’s possible chaos creation and what their gains would be.

For quite a long time, I have been saying that 0b0z0 won’t run until I am blue in the face! However, he needs the next two years to jam more communism in before butter catches up with him! LOL!

He can’t do that with at least a Republican House. Period.

[melancholy]

Ping........

Sorry, I forgot to copy you on my previous post.

[butterdezillion]

Could Gerald Walpin or Lt Col Lakin’s family sue for damages? Is there a way to convert the crime (that nobody will prosecute) into civil damages that a court has to hear?

[tacticalogic]

I believe that if Hillary knew Obama was ineligible and failed to report him to law enforcement that is misprision of felony and should disqualify her from having any political future. The fact that she agreed to be his SOS - if she knew he was ineligible - borders on treason, giving aid and comfort to an enemy of America (a usurper).

Ageed, but Hillary knows all too well how to play the "culpable deniability" game. She will not be able to recall any correspondence or conversation that would provide evidence she knew about it. If she's electected she'll have plenty of opportuity and motivation to use executive privilege to make sure those records remain sealed and she's already proved she's not above destroying incriminating records in defiance of court orders.

[jamese777]

Back in December of 2007, Barack Obama himself signed an official state document in order to get on the ballot in Arizona testifying to the fact that he is a “natural born citizen of the United States.”
That document alone, with or without Nancy Pelosi, could have been used to launch a Grand Jury investigation with subpoena power to force release of Obama’s original birth records and the ability to compel witness testimony under oath.
Here’s a scanned image of the Arizona Candidate Nomination Paper that Obama signed:
http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf

[El Sordo]

“Tell me again why we’re still treating him like a reliable source?”

Becuase he said pleasing things.

[null and void]

And that was the only justice the Goldman and Brown families ever got.

THAT is my point.

[El Sordo]

Quit killin’ the buzz.

[melancholy]

How about the following explanation?

During the presidential campaign, when Hillary realized that Abu Bama was ineligible and threatened to expose him, Abu Bama’s people threatened her by whatever they knew about her and the black riots that will ensue.

They probably reached an agreement of SoS post and one term for 0kaka then Hillary takes over.

This is why Hillary is sounding different on the economy, National Security and debt, lately. She needs gravitas and show opposition to enable her to start her run next spring!

[jamese777]

Quit killin’ the buzz.

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Its tough work, but somebody’s got to do it.

[jamese777]

Quit killin’ the buzz.

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Its tough work, but somebody’s got to do it.

[danamco]

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[butterdezillion]

As far as I know Hawaii was the only state where there was any monkeying around with the certificates but I haven’t seen the certs from all the states either. It was pointed out to me that a follow-up to the CFP article I cited claims that both versions of the DNC certs were used in both 2000 and 2004, but if they were used in 2004 it was not in Hawaii.

Without seeing all the certs for all the states in 2000, 2004, and 2008 I have to hedge my words by saying “most” rather than “all”, since I don’t know the case for all the states.

But I do know what Hawaii sent me, so that’s what I’m analyzing.

I know that the DNC claims they added the eligibility language to be cautious. But since the HDP and DNC obviously coordinated their certs and had Sandler send it to the Hawaii Elections Office all together in 2008, it defies reason that they would abandon what had worked before in favor of a combination of certs that had never been tried before in an attempt to be CAUTIOUS. If they had wanted to be cautious they would have had both HDP and DNC certify eligibility.

So the point at which their argument breaks down is with the HDP’s change to LEAVE OUT the eligibility language. They had to change their certification form in order to do that; this wasn’t just an oversight. It was a deliberate move to remove the certification that had worked in the past, to switch to a new certification that had never been tried - supposedly in the name of caution.

I don’t buy it.

And especially I don’t buy it because the HDP refused to give any information on how that decision was made, and because the DNC claims their certification is based on the states certifying. If Obama’s alleged home state refused to certify eligibility then Pelosi herself should not have certified eligibility.

You’re absolutely right that nobody checked anything. We know Obama is not eligible because he has no legally-determined birth facts, no documentation in Hawaii that is legally valid, since his BC was amended in 2006 (actually almost certainly only COMPLETED in 2006). So there’s not a person in this world who can LEGALLY say how old Obama even is, much less where he was born or to whom. There is no way he LEGALLY qualified to even be a citizen (unless via naturalization documents), much less legally qualified to be POTUS.

At best, Pelosi knew she hadn’t checked Obama’s eligibility.

What the HDP’s actions show is that most probably Pelosi ALSO knew that the folks in Hawaii who had possibly seen Obama’s actual birth certificate were not willing to sign their names to an oath that he was Constitutionally eligible. According to the DNC’s own claims of who is supposed to vet the candidates, that should have meant that Pelosi herself would refuse to sign ANY certificate of Obama as the DNC candidate.

[butterdezillion]

If, after everything we’ve been through with the creep-in-chief right now, America is ready to elect somebody who does the same stuff as the creep-in-chief, then we deserve everything we get.... and it ain’t gonna be pretty.

It’s not Obama, Hillary, or anybody else who is on trial right now; it’s the American public. If we are too stupid to exist then we’re dead. How’s that for logic? lol

[justiceseeker93]

In the case of Pelosi possibly swearing out a false affidavit, my guess is, that if ordinary citizens attempted to file a class action civil suit against her, they would run into a problem with standing, just as other litigants have when suing Obama for constitutional ineligibility for POTUS.