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To: Lee'sGhost
Those with better comprehension skills understood that I was saying that most Southerners AND Northerners believed “...slaves weren’t men or people..”

More like ESP or mind reading because nowhere in your comments do you even begin to intimate this thought.

It must me nice to think to yourself that you were trying to make this point.

Either way, there was still a big enough group, the Abolitionists in the NORTH, that believed slavery was evil and should be outlawed that had enough of a moral argument to pursuade their leaders to their cause as opposed to the SOUTH which didn't. Therein lies a moral superiority of the NORTH in general, regarding slavery.

308 posted on 09/08/2010 11:29:25 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: frogjerk
Either way, there was still a big enough group, the Abolitionists in the NORTH, that believed slavery was evil and should be outlawed that had enough of a moral argument to pursuade their leaders to their cause as opposed to the SOUTH which didn't. Therein lies a moral superiority of the NORTH in general, regarding slavery.

Not to mention the fact that the reason the South seceded after Lincoln's election, was that they realized the jig was up: the abolition of slavery was inevitable.

South Carolina minced no words on the matter:

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the *forms* [emphasis in the original] of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

It's amazing, the lengths to which some folks will go to maintain their self-delusion....

309 posted on 09/08/2010 11:41:32 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: frogjerk

“More like ESP or mind reading...”

Nope. It was very simple to understand. Sorry you had so much trouble.

“It must me nice to think to yourself that you were trying to make this point.”

Well, given that just about everyone on the planet except you who read it understood it, I wouldn’t say nice....just taken for granted.

“Therein lies a moral superiority of the NORTH in general, regarding slavery.”

LOL! Northern states owned slaves and condoned slavery UNTIL after the war was over and THEN did the politically expedient thing and freed them....and that gives them the moral high ground?

LMAO! Seriously. Enough of the this nonsense. You are way over your head here. Thanks for playing.


357 posted on 09/08/2010 3:51:14 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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