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To: fortheDeclaration

“”Would you care to quote the article and section that says secession is illegal?”

Care to state where in it the Constitution it is allowed?”

10th Amendment.

“Even the Confederate Constitution didn’t have it written in.”

Of course not Secession/Revolution was an inalienable(not cedeable) right, and a free constitution of civil government only specifies ceded powers, leaving the residual to the people.

As the 9th and 10th amendment were added to make perfectly clear for people like you.

“No nation could survive as a nation if any State could just leave whenever it felt like it.”

No nation has the right to exist if all of it’s members do not have a vested mutually beneficial interest in remaining members, and thus disinclined to leave.

As for your assertion, the existence of Russia and Canada are proof positive that a nation can exist if its members are allowed to leave whenever they feel like it.

Just governments don’t need rule by the sword.

“Now, if you ‘secessionists’ are so keen on it, get it WRITTEN into the Constitution.”

Why, you write ceded and cedeable rights into a Constitution. Inalienable rights which are not cedeable under any circumstance do not need to be written into any Constitution.

Unless of course you just need a reference to remember what is naturally true. One would think the Deceleration of independents and our founding history would be enough for you.

Of course by the same measure one would think the 10th and 9th amendments would also be enough for you. But apparently nothing is...


160 posted on 09/07/2010 11:19:01 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Why do you act as if you care at all about the Constitution when you want to secede from it?

Your argument is that the Constitution is false unless it allows you to disavow it. President Lincoln fought to uphold the Constitution. You side with those who opposed it. Plain and simple.

You claim that your right to trash the Consitution is inalienable and dosen’t need to be written but it is not. You have no right to disavow me or my rights. You have no rights to slaves.


162 posted on 09/07/2010 11:27:47 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Monorprise
There is nothing in the 10th amendement that allows secession.

No, secession is not a right since it is not the same thing as revolution.

The States entered the union as States and agreed to the conditions in the Constitution.

What right was violated?

None.

Only that the Confederate States knew that their 'peculiar institution' was now being threatened by the growing anti-slavery movement in the North.

Madison did not think secession legal.

The ones who had a right to 'secede' were the millions of slaves being held against the tenets listed in the Declaration of Independence, tenets rejected by the Confederates in their own constitution.

168 posted on 09/08/2010 1:19:14 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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