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To: Idabilly

The individual has a right to dissolve the government, but that is the right of revolution, not secession.


152 posted on 09/07/2010 10:17:45 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: fortheDeclaration

“The individual has a right to dissolve the government, but that is the right of revolution, not secession.”

James Madison said there was no difference between the right of revolution and secession.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s14.html

PS The right of secession/revolution is not necessarily an individual right unless that individual has their own land independent of anyone else and is willing to remain confined to that land. (this is why borders are important)

Basically when you join a union you gain the right to leave your domain into other peoples domain under the terms of spesfic conditions.


154 posted on 09/07/2010 10:39:49 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: fortheDeclaration; TheBigIf; Monorprise
The individual has a right to dissolve the government, but that is the right of revolution, not secession.

Double talk. Call it what you wish - revolution, secession, consenting to your government, or Natural right. This right cannot be ceded away, it forever remains.

Thomas Paine would certainly agree:

"It has been thought a considerable advance towards establishing the principles of Freedom, to say, that government is a compact between those who govern and those that are governed: but this cannot be true, because it is putting the effect before the cause; for as man must have existed before governments existed, there necessarily was a time when governments did not exist,and consequently there could originally exist no governors to form such a compact with. The fact therefore must be, that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist."

186 posted on 09/08/2010 4:13:46 AM PDT by Idabilly ("When injustice becomes law....Resistance becomes DUTY !")
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