. . . . Check out David's comments at - # 41 , # 85 , # 86
[Thanks, David.]
Posted on 08/31/2010 10:19:15 AM PDT by butterdezillion
Civil lawsuits is all I could ever file. Criminal lawsuits have to be filed by prosecuting attorneys. That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in. Prosecuting attorneys are political hacks.
I should add that is my understanding of how the civil and criminal lawsuits work. If I’ve got it wrong please correct me.
A person could file a libel lawsuit because libel is against the law, but it would still be a civil suit, right, since it’s a civilian suing rather than law enforcement suing?
Our neighbor vandalized our car. We reported it to the police. We knew nothing more about it until we were asked to submit to the county attorney the bill to have the car’s window replaced. We received reimbursement from our neighbor. We had nothing to do with the charges being filed; the county did all of it because it was a crime. If the police hadn’t been involved we could have filed a civil lawsuit to recover the costs, but that would have been our action because it was not being tried as a crime.
Is that right?
If I’m understanding correctly, the only way a civilian can initiate a criminal case is if it’s a qui tam case. Otherwise, we the people just have to sit around and wait for our corrupt law enforcement system to get around to prosecuting the political buddies who put them in power.
And we only have standing to sue the government if the government isn’t doing a blanket violation of everybody. As long as they screw us all they’re legally untouchable.
All of them? Every last one in the US?
And every District Attorney?
And every Attorney General?
. . . . Check out David's comments at - # 41 , # 85 , # 86
[Thanks, David.]
Our neighbor vandalized our car. We reported it to the police. We knew nothing more about it until we were asked to submit to the county attorney the bill to have the car’s window replaced. We received reimbursement from our neighbor. We had nothing to do with the charges being filed; the county did all of it because it was a crime. If the police hadn’t been involved we could have filed a civil lawsuit to recover the costs, but that would have been our action because it was not being tried as a crime.
Is that right?”
As far as I know, but I am not a lawyer nor am I well versed in law.
“If I’m understanding correctly, the only way a civilian can initiate a criminal case is if it’s a qui tam case.”
Dunno. At the moment “Qui Tam” appears to be the new “Quo Warranto”. I expect it to be about as successful.
Your biggest hurdle seems to be that you are wanting to go to court with suspicions and have the court root around looking for proof of your suspicions. That's not how it works.
“Whistle blower” cases go forward because the person in question has concrete proof. Not just accusation, innuendo, heresay, rumor or suspicion.
District Attorneys have limited jurisdiction; if I understand it correctly they only deal with the laws and instances in their own area.
State AG’s deal with the state laws and represent the state in federal cases. Our state AG knows laws are being broken but won’t do anything about it because he doesn’t want to get on the bad side of the state Supreme Court and also has political ambitions.
The US Attorney General is absolutely a political hack.
The US Attorney in my state won’t even accept a complaint from a citizen unless it goes through the AG or FBI first; that’s what they told me. The FBI is a sad, sad joke. At least one Congressman has asked for an FBI investigation of Obama’s potential forgery and fraud, and as far as I know nothing has been done. The person who answered the phone at the state FBI office apparently lied to me 3 times, saying the FBI doesn’t investigate document fraud (right before I went online to report document fraud and was told that my complaint was being forwarded to.... the FBI).
So, in response to your questions, I can’t say every person everywhere is a political hack, but I can say that I’ve dealt with LE at every level and the only person I have found who is even willing to CONSIDER the issue of forgery and perjury by Pelosi and Obama is my county sheriff, who said he doesn’t have the funds to investigate but would mention it to the county attorney.
I guess we’re in good hands, huh?
Concrete proof like a certificate number and “date filed” that are incompatible?
Concrete proof like a statutory admission that a BC was amended but a COLB that doesn’t show that amendment as required?
Concrete proof like a state department’s own admission that records required to be permanently retained no longer exist?
Concrete proof like an affidavit saying most of 125 million passport records were destroyed - even though there is no required paper trail in the retention schedule?
You mean that kind of concrete proof?
The fact of the matter is that the process allows “discovery” when valid evidence for wrongdoing exists. There is no such thing as absolute proof, but there is evidence that a situation warrants a closer look, and we have PLENTY of evidence of that.
Oh, it definitely is a guy thing. They have this irritating habit of sometimes making perfect sense. I, too, get outraged, when I really have no business being surprised. That’s a woman thing, I suppose. Anyway, Obama may have flipped someone else off recently, but the incident I’m talking about happened a while ago. He does it so often that I can’t even remember now who the victim was. He’s so mature, our POTUS.
But none of it is concrete proof for what you allege.
lol. I suppose I can forgive a guy for making sense.
Once in a while anyway. lol
I wonder if Obama’s bounced on the bed in the White House. lol. Seems like he just wants to play golf and basketball, eat ice cream and shrimp, and throw parties with the big celebrities while America rots.
What I have is evidence of inconsistencies which should be further investigated to see what the actual documents, transaction logs, etc actually contain.
That’s all anybody has when they request an investigation. It’s all a civilian is allowed to get. This is the point at which the “public servants” (gag) are supposed to step in and do the heavy lifting.
Crickets.
Then folks develop wild conspiracy theories to explain why things never go any further.
Good heavens. Even the editor of the paper admitted that he published a factually inaccurate story.
But you just can’t bring yourself to say it. Why? What do you have invested in this?
Nobody has been allowed to look into anything.
Hey, did you realize that the HDOH told me that they couldn’t send me the original handwritten birth index for 1961 that existed in 1980 and is required to be retained permanently, because it no longer exists.... but they COULD send me the computer printout of the 1961 birth index for $98.75?
They even told Mark Niesse from the AP all about it, and how they hadn’t received anybody’s payment for it (when my money order was sitting in their office) and they had asked the AG to rule on whether they had to print it up if somebody asked for it (but the HDOH tells me there are no records of them ever doing that).
Of course, they also added that it’s totally stupid for “birthers” to still ask for Obama’s records 2-3 times per week (Okubo told Niesse that every index request is really about Obama; Okubo had to go back 2 1/2 weeks to get 3 communications at all - none of which were for Obama and none of which were actual requests for documents) because Obama’s name is already in the 1960-64 birth index the HDOH has available to the public.
In the article Niesse says that “Obama’s name is included among those born in Honolulu in 1961, according to the state.” I want to clarify exactly when and how the state said that Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961 - whether he has Okubo on record saying that. But if the state is claiming that, then they obviously have no problem with revealing a person’s birth year.
But now they refuse to release the 1961 birth index pages. It’s a required disclosure according to HRS 338-18.
Why do you think they’re refusing to follow their law on this? What do you think changed between May, when they told me they COULD release the computer-generated 1961 birth index pages, and now - or for that matter, from the 2 weeks earlier when they told Niesse they could release the pages?
Did some laws change? Did they go through the elaborate procedure to change their Administrative Rules, complete with public meetings and notifications?
This is a legally REQUIRED release. Why are they balking now?
At this point, although sorely tempted, I will refrain from any comment about Reggie Love.
“Nobody has been allowed to look into anything.”
How do you know?
They have not confirmed the accuracy of the information on the Factcheck COLB, for two reasons.
1) Hawaii law forbids them from revealing the information on the BC (HRS 338-18a) except through disclosures authorized by rules or law. The only public announcements authorized for release is the release of index data, which Fukino and Okubo have repeatedly said consists of type of event, name, and gender. (Although they actually violated this law by saying the birth place claimed on Obama’s BC)
2) Hawaii law says that an amended BC has no legal evidentiary value so the State of Hawaii will not stand behind any claims made on such a BC (which Obama’s is). Neither Fukino nor anybody else can legally say where Obama was born, when, or to whom at this point. The amended BC has to be presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body before that BC can have any greater legal status than Monopoly money.
That is a critical thing for people to understand. If a person doesn’t understand that, they will be wrong about everything else.
The State of Hawaii has nothing that qualifies as probative for Obama, so the State of Hawaii can have absolutely NO COMMENT on what the actual facts of Obama’s birth are. Period.
Obama needs never prove where he was born, plaintiffs have to prove that he was not born in Hawaii.
If Dr. Fukino cannot verify Obama’s birthplace, why is the Lakin Court Martial seeking to depose her as a witness when that is exactly what she is most likely to do, based on her past statements.
The Governor of the state is also on record saying “It’s been established, he was born here.”
Now you may not accept those statements, but judges, justices and congressional committees tend to take statements of appointed governmental officials and elected Governors as prima facie evidence.
Finally, as you well know, on every copy of a certified Hawaii COLB it says “This copy serves as prima facie evidence in any court proceeding.”
Because none of the court cases have allowed discovery.
And?
An amended and/or late birth certificate is legally only good for toilet paper. It is not prima facie evidence. If Obama’s BC is amended, as the HDOH has admitted, then the burden of proof falls on Obama to prove where he was born, not on anybody else to prove where he wasn’t born.
Do you have a link for the testimony in which you say Fukino confirmed the accuracy of the facts on the Factcheck COLB?
Because if Obama’s BC is amended and she made an official claim of Obama’s birth facts, then she perjured herself on this matter just like she perjured herself on the number of requests they received for Obama’s birth records.
And if she revealed where he was born, when he was born, and to whom he was born without being properly authorized and using the proper procedures, she also violated HRS 338-18a - which makes her subject to criminal charges, according to UIPA.
So if you could find me a link to that I would GREATLY appreciate it.
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