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To: Big Bureaucracy

I appreciate your honesty, but I would like for you to think about a couple of things. There is no such thing as goodness. You cannot go down to the hardware store and buy 20 pounds of goodness. You have two options when it comes to whether something is good or not: absolute (objective) or relative (subjective). Without a belief in God there is no intrinsic or objective standard for good. Nothing is good in itself. Absolutes are not based upon individual or societal views on what is good or not. On the other hand, without God, the moral value of what is good is relative. Something is determined good because it conforms to a standard of thought or behavior that is acceptable to a particular culture at a particular time. For instance, the German culture, at the time of Adolf Hitler, believed that killing Jews and other inferior races was good for the world.
Secondly, I say this as nicely as I can, Agnosticism is illogical and cowardly. The default position of Agnosticism is Atheism. You either believe in the existence of God or you do not. There is no middle position. If you want me to explain the logical fallacy of Agnosticism, I will be more than glad to do so in another post.


60 posted on 08/30/2010 9:08:30 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

“You either believe in the existence of God or you do not. There is no middle position”

Thank you for being nice! I said it plainly: I don’t believe there is God. I believe the moral principles evolved in the society during thousands of years of debate and social experience. Christianity is a result of this debate, knowledge, observation. I believe we are not done debating, collecting knowledge and observing.


63 posted on 08/30/2010 9:21:12 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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