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To: Monorprise

“The federal Government owning land has causes a lot of really huge problems for us.”

Yep, not to mention if the states started to produce their own energy resources (Utah has a TON), they could create possibly a surplus, or at least get us off of foreign produced energy, thereby hindering the enemies who take our money and use it to build weapons against us.

I sincerely doubt that paying down the debt will ever happen. I’m not one to think that it should either. (In some cases, yes). We give out more in non tangible foreign aid than we ever have incurred, debt wise. I realize that a debt default would probably not work out economically, but heck, it’s likely to happen anyway, everyone hurry and get prepped, become more self sufficient, and self reliant, then let’s get it over with! Enough of the slow death and decay. It’s going to be horrible no matter what, once we finally pay the piper, probably “world war” bad, but there is no fix, it’s just growing like a hurricane over warmer waters.


22 posted on 08/19/2010 1:45:16 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

“Yep, not to mention if the states started to produce their own energy resources (Utah has a TON), they could create possibly a surplus, or at least get us off of foreign produced energy, thereby hindering the enemies who take our money and use it to build weapons against us.”
Its more then just the resources and money.

the United States Federal government also assert power over our States and the people in them to apply environmental and otherwise laws on the sole basis that our behavior is somehow tangentially effecting land they own and have asserted jurisdiction over.

In other-word their mere ownership of the land in our state has given them(in the eyes of their own self-appointed courts) undue and unfair power over our states that goes far and beyond denying us access to most of our own State!

I don’t think most Eastern really understand the gravity of the Federal land ownership situation in the west simply because almost all of their states are not owned by the Federal Government and so they don’t live with theses huge problems like we do.

The United States Federal Government was never suppose to permanently own any kind of non-ceded land within any state of the United States.

Indeed when they bought the land the deal was they were suppose to sell this land off and that was mostly working slowly but steadily up until the 1970’s and the end of the Homestead act.

Now the Federal Government not only hordes 40 to 84.5%(such as in Nevada) of the land in our States, they are actually thou eminent domain taking more and more of it!

Here is a map of Federal land % by State in the U.S.:
http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/map-owns_the_west.jpg

Yes, this is a gigantic problem for western stater!


25 posted on 08/19/2010 2:51:42 AM PDT by Monorprise
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