Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

It's getting to be embarrassing to be a conservative
ProfessorBainbridge.com ^ | 8/1/10 | Professor Bainbridge

Posted on 08/05/2010 6:04:18 PM PDT by pissant

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-82 next last
To: pissant

I believe this guy probably spent last night in bed with David Brooks.


21 posted on 08/05/2010 6:16:18 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

The guy was in favor of Kagan:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126738721


22 posted on 08/05/2010 6:17:07 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
Where is his description of the liberal movement? Are we to presume they have evolved to some lofty standard? Yeah right!
23 posted on 08/05/2010 6:17:08 PM PDT by Dem Guard (The + IRS = Theirs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
7. Trying to pretend Afghanistan is Obama's war.

Anyone bothering to pay attention to the campaign in 2008 will remember that 0bama claimed the war in Afghanistan as his own. According to then candidate 0bama, we needed to get out of Iraq and take the war to Bin Laden in Afghanistan and/or Pakistan. 0bama didn't start the war, but he wanted it to belong to him while he was campaigning.

You want it, you got it.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 6:17:56 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

This person is every bit as conservative as Senators McCain, Collins or Snowe.


25 posted on 08/05/2010 6:17:58 PM PDT by jospehm20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
The GOP controlled Congress from 1994 to 2006: Combine neocon warfare spending with entitlements, farm subsidies, education, water projects and you end up with a GOP welfare/warfare state driving the federal spending machine

the referenced GOP congress and neocons have nothing to do with conservatism. They are just more statist rent seekers with their snouts in the public trough.

26 posted on 08/05/2010 6:18:43 PM PDT by AndyJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Who is this moron?

He’s been hit by a Mack truck and he still has no clue.


27 posted on 08/05/2010 6:19:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

This reminds me of John Dean’s “Conservatives Without Conscience.”


28 posted on 08/05/2010 6:19:55 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rj45mis

Why give this person any cred? STOP.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 6:20:35 PM PDT by Lumper20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: presently no screen name

I agreed with the whole thing with the exception of praising Irving Kristol. He was one of the destroyers of true conservatism, a Trotskyite looking to get his hands on the levers of power.

An idea starts as a movement
Becomes a business.
and ends up a racket.
We’re in the racket phase but true conservatism will win out against Pelosi, Obama and the circus clowns currently infecting it’s ranks.


30 posted on 08/05/2010 6:21:43 PM PDT by BiggieLittle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Oh yeah? Well it’s not half as bad as being a liberal.


31 posted on 08/05/2010 6:24:33 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: presently no screen name
ANYONE embarrassed by Palin is a BHOTool.

When the going got tough, she got going.

32 posted on 08/05/2010 6:26:41 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: pissant

If he is embarrassed he could always call himself an idiot


33 posted on 08/05/2010 6:28:03 PM PDT by woofie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
Follow up article by the "good" professor:

Tom Smith Replies to my Embarrassment Post

Much of the right side of the blogosphere through[sic] a collective hissy fit [that would be us, fellow FReepers - Yo-Yo] over my post about how its becoming embarrassing to be associated with the conservative movement. Much of it was stiff and nonsense. Most of it served just to prove my point about the add combination of viciousness and vacuity pervasive in today's right. As an old-fashioned conservative whose role models were people like Buckley, Kirk, Reagan, Kemp, and their ilk, I find it off-putting, at best. But I've got too much on my plate to respond item by item. (having three book contracts hanging over one's head may not focus the mind quite so much as the prospect of being hanged, but it's a close second.)

I do want to take note of Tom Smith's post, however. It's a fair and constructive critique. I commend it to your attention.

And the good Mr. Smith's missive:

Thoughts on conservative style and substance
Tom Smith

My friend Steve Bainbridge has attracted a lot of outraged attention for his lament that conservatives are no longer as old school stylish as WFB was back in the day and for his implication that many currently on the Right are embarrassing. Some of this comes down to purely personal tastes and preferences but some of it is political in interesting ways, and thus I am moved to share some thoughts on what some are saying has already become a tedious discussion. Alas this is usually the point at which I enter an argument.

I should disclose that I consider Steve a friend and I'm an admirer of his scholarship, use his book in my class and so on and so forth. At the risk of diverting any wrath from him to me, which I certainly do not want to do, I think we should acknowledge that he has some points, but then qualify or discount some of them. Also, I don't want to be putting words into his mouth -- I am working with my interpretation of what I take to be the gist of his general inquietude about current conservative style.

So there is a tradition is this country of a sort of old school, Tory, elitist conservatism and there was a strain of that in Bill Buckley's conservatism that he revived after the War. I think his was an idealized version of it. He was the son of a wealthy Catholic businessman, more cosmopolitan and intellectual than the crusty old WASP Bonesman conservatism that he seem to affect. Though, in truth, I think the Buckley style was just an invention of his own, analogous to the partly fictional Old North Country aristocratic Catholic style that Evelyn Waugh invented and affected in Brideshead Revisited. This is the style of a conscious traditionalism and it is has long been a part of anything you could call conservatism in this country and personally I think a very valuable part.

But, and this is a critical point I think, something new and interesting is happening at the moment in this country, or maybe something not so new, but happening in a new way. And here one has to be careful not to go all dopey and Noonanesque. I don't think any of it makes sense except against the background of new communications technologies that are just transforming our society. Progressive historians love to go on about the transportation and communications revolution of the nineteenth century, but we are really in the middle of a gigantic communications revolution now. One thing we are seeing is an enormous expansion of the intellectual engagement of ordinary people, many of whom turn out to be not so ordinary, in national politics. Legacy institutions and affiliations and the prestige and style that go with them mean something but not what they used to. But it's not all good. The disruption caused by this revolution creates opportunities for all sorts of people. Indeed, I think our current president is one who would never have stepped into an office he really is not qualified for except for the fact that we are living through a time of profound disruption in many ways. And one of the things that means is that many shrill, rude, out of key and downright offensive voices are getting heard that before would have been filtered out by various intermediary institutions. That's not an unalloyed good.

Just to take one of Steve's points -- I agree with him in a general way that the legacy conservative media of talk radio (if this is what he is saying, otherwise it is just me) has lost a lot of its freshness and has matured into a medium that leaves a lot to be desired as any sort of thought leader or opinion shaper. I'm reluctant to be specific but I will just say a lot of time, right wing radio talkers just seem to be selling schtick, using conservatism the way some insincere televangelists use religion. And that's to be expected. If people were angels, we should indeed support progressive government. It's only in the real world that we need such strict limits on power.

Or take Sarah Palin, who graduated from the University of Idaho, whose alma mater was sung at my father's funeral, so don't neg the U of I around me. She's not as well educated as Michelle Obama. She's not as well educated as a President or Vice President should be. But had she gone to Harvard Law her ideas about the constitution would be a lot less sound than they happen to be. That is what we have come to. The prestige of such ancient institutions as we have are now used as weapons against the most fundamental principles of our frame of government and really our way of life. This means we are in a bad way. It's as if we have to defend ourselves against invaders and for the last 50 years West Point had been teaching that war is wrong and love is all you need. We have just put a former dean of the Harvard Law School on the Supreme Court in the certain knowledge that at the first opportunity she will rule that absolutely nothing in the Constitution prevents the federal government from requiring a person to buy insurance from some private company. Nothing. And it was probably the right thing to do because there were many far worse people our president would have been happy to nominate, all of them with resumes to die for.

One could go on. So does it embarrass me that talk radio conservatives, some of them some of the time are ranting hucksters selling prostate vitamins or gold or their latest semi-literate screed and rolling over every nuance in sight? Sure. Do I wish Sarah Palin could go through a time warp, spend ten years getting finished at say Oxford in 1920, Notre Dame in 1950 and the University of Chicago Law School in 1970? Sure. But there are others, too, like Mitch Daniels with his reading list and Chris Christie with his massive gonads. They are not embarrassing but encouraging. But the point is, being embarrassed in the least of our problems. I'm sorry I have to run around in my underwear trying to extinguish my burning house, but my house is on fire.

But at the same time, the embarrassments point to some genuine concerns, just not the most urgent ones perhaps. Those fighting the progressives, the statists, the current administration, have to be aware of the needs to build new institutions, educate up and comers, and trim old, dead wood. If somebody has become or is an embarrassment to good, old cause, then that's a problem. Embarrassment is your good sense and taste trying to tell you something.

Yet it needs to be remembered that embarrassment is also a weapon that the enemies of liberty and our best traditions have used with great effect. We are supposed to be embarrassed to, for example, believe in God, to think that Queer Theory is a joke, that Derrida is a fraud, that John Donne is a much better poet than Sylvia Plath let alone that ubiquitous African American woman who is always showing up knowing why the caged bird sings, and who writes the most dreadful drivel. To be embarrassed is to have standards and so much of whatever it is you should call the left these days is about the abandonment of moral standards, in which I include those of taste. So one can be a little embarrassed about the low points of current conservatism, but one has to consider the alternatives.

Tom Smith, this is for you:


34 posted on 08/05/2010 6:32:11 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Given some of the numbers I saw in the election here in Michigan the other night, I submit that its apparently embarrassing to be a democrat.

In a race to temporarily seat a state representative in a vaccant traditionally democrat held seat, an unknown republican small businessman got 6000 votes and a former democrat county commissioner got 2500 votes. (The republican was also nominated to run for the seat in November)


35 posted on 08/05/2010 6:33:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

He’s clearly not a Conservative with that line of complaints, and whines entirely too much for a Leftwingtard even, but he has to be something. Let me propose that he may be part of a gay cabal devoted to the destruction of America ~ something like that.


36 posted on 08/05/2010 6:33:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
Another GOP fop. Yawn.

They're most comfortable when pretending to be embarrassed by the 'neanderthals' in their party. On those rare occasions they do manage to win some real political authority, usually by the efforts of those they disparage, they soil themselves.

37 posted on 08/05/2010 6:35:34 PM PDT by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Doe Eyes

When the left tried Cloward-Pivening her to death she walked right out of their lawsuit-mongering trap and now fights back from a position of advantage.

Yep, when the going got tough she got going to the perfect position to fight from.

Smart lady.


38 posted on 08/05/2010 6:36:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: pissant

He reminds me of a liberals who spends their time advising Conservatives how to win elections and influence voters.


39 posted on 08/05/2010 6:36:29 PM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

As the son of a good Goldwater Republican, I’d say what he can’t apparently state that’s actually bugging him: he hates the way information proliferates; he prefers the days when the outlets for policy positions were severely limited, indeed reserved to the upper classes. Next to that other somewhat arbitrary discipline psychoanalysis this slowly evolving template was an East Coast preoccupation that avoided any outward sign of “show business” sensationalism. You were brought to enlightment after a third martini and between salmon and caviar wedded to crystal. But you know after Gonzo Journalism, the Pentagon Papers and Bill Clinton what unlimited suffering has not already been asked of a truly guileless, educated Conservative while he waits for the Second Coming, may I ask?

I live like an anchorite, but wouldn’t trade that for the phlegmatic and privileged society necessary to breed a few more Buckley’s frankly. I’m from the land that gave America McCarthy - we like to bloody a few lips before we raise a toast.


40 posted on 08/05/2010 6:36:40 PM PDT by februus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-82 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson