Posted on 07/31/2010 6:25:47 PM PDT by jdirt
She is the Madonna, the "virgin" mother of "The Messiah"
Upon further review of the Immigration Documents, I don’t think it was likely they went to Indonesia in 1965, in fact Lolo was supposed to leave on June 20,1965 and somehow got that extended to June 20, 1966 when he left. If he left in 1965 he would not be able to get back in.
No. I was just speculating.
See it did make sense. Thanks.
Disagreeing and debating are one thing, obvious trolling is another.
Would you say those posting on other forums demeaning FR and then disrupting threads here qualify as trolling?
True it would be....but electors are usually loyal party hacks...blissfully unaware and not caring to be aware of their awesome responsibility!
Thank you, very good summary.
Bump Dat...
The term is thrown about so freely, that I almost invariably ignore it. If you know about such behavior, why keep it to yourself, nothing works better than exposing people’s two-faced behavior.
NOT 40 years ago, max 5!!!
Agree.
The July 7, 1965 Robert Wooster memo discloses that after Lolo married Ann, Lolo on his own went and got his visa extended to June 20, 1966. This seemed to really piss off the people running the exchange student program at the university, as it appears Lolo did an end run around them to get this.
However, with this extension in hand, Lolo was free to come and go between Indonesia and Hawaii if he wished as far as the US was concerned. However, if he wanted to stay in the US beyond June 20, 1966, he would need a waiver.
So Lolo was free to take his new bride Ann and little Barry back to Indonesia to meet his family in late July or August 1965 if he wished.
Whether they ended up in fact going, we can’t say.
In particular, see the July 13, 1965 letter from Zumwinkle disclosing that the East-West Center received a cable from the Indonesian Embassy ordering Lolo to terminate his studies and return to Indonesia.
So maybe they had planned to go and Ann even got a passport in anticipation of going, but then when he was ordered home they didn’t go, for fear that Indonesia would not let him go back to Hawaii.
Are we saying the same thing?
I sent this post, quite interesting, to our military FINO, the “JAG”(?), Mrs. Roger, but conveniently ignored to answer:!!!
Sorry, had to leave to get hubby his dinner.
Any other revelations on these documents since I’ve been gone?
I think Glenn Book knows!!!
Try to notice every-time he is alone and disembarking AF-one’s steps how he femininely shake his hands!!!
The Indonesian Citizenship Myth
I have read this post in detail and must say, with all due respect, I disagree. Some very important parts were left out, which I do not believe was intentional. Thus, I would like to respond accordingly.
First, I am unsure as to where badfiction obtained the Indonesian laws, I’m unsure as to the dates, etc. However, there are discrepancies.
Badfiction is correct in stating that if a woman married a foreign citizen they would have lost their U.S. citizenship status if married prior to September 22, 1922. However, there is more to this, see 8 U.S.C. Section 1435(a)(2) which states “on or after September 22, 1922, a women who lost United States citizenship by marriage to an alien ineligible to citizenship…” However, Indonesia also required Stanley Ann Dunham to relinquish her U.S. Citizenship, which is an affirmative act, therefore, Stanley Ann Dunham did not simply lose her U.S. Citizenship status by marriage alone.
Badfiction claims that a parent cannot expatriate a child’s U.S. citizenship, however, this is not correct. See The Nationality Act of 1940, revised 1952, Section 318(a) “A former citizen of the United States expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents and who has not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents may be naturalized upon filing a petition for naturalization before reaching age of twenty-five years and upon compliance with all requirements of the naturalization laws with the following exceptions: (b) No former citizen of the United States, expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents shall be obliged to comply with the requirements of the immigration laws, if he has not not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents, and if he has come or shall come to the United States before reaching the age of twenty-five years. (c) After his naturalization such person shall have the same citizenship status as if he had not been expatriated.”
Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book “Dreams from my father” that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.
Despite the above however, Indonesia required Obama/Soetoro to do a bit more upon his 18th birthday. In fact the Indonesian law gives until the age of 21. Soetoro/Obama would have had to sign an Affidavit relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and said Affidavit had to be sent to the Indonesian Government before reclaiming any U.S. citizenship he may have once held.
When it comes to the citizenship of individuals in other countries, we are prevented from interfering, Hague Convention 1930. Speaking of Indonesia, during the late 60’s all the way up until 2006 Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. In 2006 they changed their laws to permit dual citizenship, however, Indonesia has had its battles with enforcing their new law permitting dual citizenship.
With this said, from the research we have done, it appears that Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen. When Soetoro/Obama was approximately four (4) years old his parents divorced and thereafter, Soetoro/Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally “acknowledging” Soetoro/Obama as his son or “adopted” Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia.
At the time Barry Soetoro was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
As a result of Soetoro/Obama’s Indonesian “natural” citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become “naturalized” if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating “naturalized.”
We are informed, believe and thereon allege Obama/Soetoro was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Soetoro/Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Soetoro/Obama’s mother did not return with him. Therefore, it appears that she did not apply for citizenship for Soetoro/Obama in the United States. If citizenship for Soetoro/Obama had been applied for in 1971, Soetoro/Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship. If Soetoro/Obama returned in 1971 to Hawaii without going through U.S. Immigration, today he would be an “illegal alien” – and obviously not able to serve as President, but also his term as a United States Senator from Illinois for nearly four (4) years was illegal. We further believe Soetoro might have reentered the United States at age ten (10) by showing a copy of his Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, which he received when his birth was registered in Hawaii.
In addition, we have been unable to locate any legal documents wherein Soetoro’s name was legally changed from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama. Soetoro/Obama’s silence on these issues is deafening and his refusal to release such records to prove that none of this occurred results in his status as Acting Commander in Chief at best, and a willful action on his part to deceive the American People and the Armed Forces of the United States so that he may wield power that is in non-compliance with the United States Constitution.
You hadn't already noticed, the memo they dated "November 31"?
These people are so excellent tap-dancers you would think Fred Astaire been their instructor!!!
Agreed. There is a massive cover up going on. Records are sealed, deleted, changed, even perhaps forged. Sadly I do not think it will ever have any impact. He will be a one termer, get the blame, the damage will be done and the elites on all sides will not even share a collective yawn.
Something. Something damning personally, but not guaranteed to be the smoking gun with which he could be removed from office or the kind which could create a constitutional crisis. Just something HE does not want to effect his legacy.
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