Posted on 07/05/2010 10:32:33 PM PDT by jdirt
The demographic you are likely referring to is only 12.4% of the population. The non-Hispanic white population is 75% of the total. It's also better armed.
So let them riot, less disrupting than the larger group going on the warpath. We wouldn't burn down our own neighborhoods.
And, IMO, that judge was wrong to not grant standing to Keyes. Win or lose is not the only thing hanging in the balance. If Obama was not in the running, might have Keyes gotten more votes? More votes effects the standing of the party, fund raising potential, the ability to get on the ballot in more states in 2012, etc.
Not granting standing to Keys because there’s no way to tell if he would have gotten more votes would be like not granting standing to McCain, because who knows if McCain would have won against, say, Hillary? “Mr. McCain can not prove injury in fact, therefore he has no standing.” Heh.
Hillary Clinton wasn’t on the ballot against John McCain, so that would have no impact on granting legal standing to sue Obama. None of Obama’s Democratic Primary opponents sued on grounds of Obama’s ineligibility.
Courts deal with ACTUAL injury-in-fact not hypothetical injury. Hypothetical or theoretical injuries are the exact opposite of when courts are supposed to grant standing.
If you MIGHT have injured someone in a car accident, they shouldn’t be able to sue you for damages. If you DID injure someone in a car accident, they then have standing to sue you.
There is one person who COULD have been president with a realistic chance to win if Barack Obama was not on the general election ballot, Senator John Sidney McCain. It is a stretch, but possibly conceivable that a very conservative court or a very conservative judge in an extremely conservative, Obama hating state MIGHT have granted standing to Sarah Palin (as the Vice Presidential candidate of an elderly presidential candidate) but Governor Palin hasn’t tried to gain standing so we’ll never know.
That's fine, but were we not speaking of the ability of the courts to bar the person from executing the powers of the office?
Judge Carter’s position is that Democratic Party Primary Election opponents and then Obama’s general election opponents had one year and nine months to have him declared ineligible and they failed do so.
So how does that change the fact of his eligibility or lack thereof? What court has even attempted to ascertain the facts under an adversarial procedure with full access to available evidence and witnesses from both sides of the controversy?
To all and sundry in this battle,” Lay on, McBeth!”
I know I’m unusual... Didn’t watch that much TV as a kid, played outside, rode bikes, etc much more, plus I was a voracious reader rather than a TV watcher (I was born in 1950). Was on my own by 18, and only had a TV for about 2 years since then - notably during the Clinton impeachment hearings! And I’ve never been a movie fan at all, probably watched less than 75 movies (maybe less than 50?) my entire life.
I never said he had any chance of winning. But getting fewer votes (as a result of not being the only black candidate maybe?) is a "hypothetical" injury just as valid as Sen. McCain's. Especially for a minor party.
Courts deal with ACTUAL injury-in-fact not hypothetical injury. Hypothetical or theoretical injuries are the exact opposite of when courts are supposed to grant standing.
So you're saying McCain wouldn't have standing, either? His injury (losing the election) is just as hypothetical.
Death by a thousand cuts Hoo, death by a thousand cuts.
I never said he had any chance of winning. But getting fewer votes (as a result of not being the only black candidate maybe?) is a “hypothetical” injury just as valid as Sen. McCain’s. Especially for a minor party.
Since John McCain hasn’t tried for standing as a plaintiff in any Obama eligibility lawsuit, we can’t know if any court would have granted him standing or not.
McCain’s injury-in-fact would not have been losing the election but rather it would have been being deprived of the presidency by running against an ineligible candidate.
“That’s fine, but were we not speaking of the ability of the courts to bar the person from executing the powers of the office?”
It is also not the judicial system’s fault that those who would challenge Obama’s eligibility have failed to convince a prosecuting attorney to convene a Grand Jury investigation into this issue where there would be no issue of standing to block subpoenas from being issued and testimony from being taken under oath.
“That’s fine, but were we not speaking of the ability of the courts to bar the person from executing the powers of the office?”
It is also not the judicial system’s fault that those who would challenge Obama’s eligibility have failed to convince a prosecuting attorney to convene a Grand Jury investigation into this issue where there would be no issue of standing to block subpoenas from being issued and testimony from being taken under oath.
“That’s fine, but were we not speaking of the ability of the courts to bar the person from executing the powers of the office?”
It is also not the judicial system’s fault that those who would challenge Obama’s eligibility have failed to convince a prosecuting attorney to convene a Grand Jury investigation into this issue where there would be no issue of standing to block subpoenas from being issued and testimony from being taken under oath.
“That’s fine, but were we not speaking of the ability of the courts to bar the person from executing the powers of the office?”
It is also not the judicial system’s fault that those who would challenge Obama’s eligibility have failed to convince a prosecuting attorney to convene a Grand Jury investigation into this issue where there would be no issue of standing to block subpoenas from being issued and testimony from being taken under oath.
Sorry for the duplicate posts, I’m in AO-HELL.
I was born in '49 in November. I played outside, a lot, would often stop by the library on my way home from school. (Library was closer to school than home was) and would ride there in the summer a couple of times a week, at least. Also played baseball and was in the local pool several times a week. Still, I saw W of Oz many many times. I'd watch it tomorrow if I had DVD of it..well I do, but at our other house, almost 4 hours away.
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