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To: magslinger
"I would bet that they interview qualified candidates who exit laughing when they hear the offered wages."

That's precisely the issue. The employer can't find workers with the skills they need AT A SALARY THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY!

They use this same hogwash when it comes time to justify H1B visas in the tech industry: We've have these two-dozen programming jobs (must be expert with .net, java AND cobol, BSEE, expert in 4 different development lifecycle methodolgies etc.)open for the last 6 months and are unable to fill them.

The part they DON'T mention is that these jobs require 12hr days and pay $26.50hr without benefits.

5 posted on 07/03/2010 11:04:04 AM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, Uss Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

Maybe freepers need to get themselves aqainted with the concept call economic nationalism. Technology should not be solely in the hands of private enterprise who would not hesitate to sell to our enemies and competitors for short term profit, or worst give away our standard of living. Simplest historical example of economic nationalism is anicent China’s experience with silk. It was one of the few technologies that the Chinese solely owned and no one at that time could fathom how it was produced. The Chinese government forbade its technological export and had sole control of it, thus China and her people were able to profit from it for nearly five centuries. What it means is the US better start doing an inventory of its techn base and determine which ones they solely dominate and start restricting private industry and academia from freely sharing with foreign competitors and nations. Control that and it will form the basis of the US renaissance and high paying jobs for middle America. Otherwise the cheap manufacturing and labor costs of China and India will allow corporate America/globalists to enslave us forever.


7 posted on 07/03/2010 11:37:10 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Mariner

>>”I would bet that they interview qualified candidates who exit laughing when they hear the offered wages.”
>
>That’s precisely the issue. The employer can’t find workers with the skills they need AT A SALARY THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY!
>
>They use this same hogwash when it comes time to justify H1B visas in the tech industry: We’ve have these two-dozen programming jobs (must be expert with .net, java AND cobol, BSEE, expert in 4 different development lifecycle methodolgies etc.)

Hm, I’m nominally interested. Though I have to say Java (any and all C-style languages) is not my preferred language, and I don’t have any experience with COBOL or BSEE. (I’ve never heard of BSEE.) To be honest, I’d rather use Ada; which can, coincidentally, be compiled for either the JVM or .NET.

Does the job require relocation? If so, to where?

>open for the last 6 months and are unable to fill them.
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>The part they DON’T mention is that these jobs require 12hr days and pay $26.50hr without benefits.

Salaried $26.50/hr AND 12 hr workdays -> $318/day -> $1,590 week (assuming 60/hr work-week AND no overtime pay)
With overtime, that would be ($26.50 * 40) + ( (1.5*$26.50) * (60-40) ) = $1,060 + ( $39.75 * 20 ) = $1,060 + $795 = $1,855 {/wk}


8 posted on 07/03/2010 11:37:35 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mariner

It’s become pretty d@mn obvious that almost no American understands the free market anymore. We’ve got employees with no skills thinking that the world owes them everything with a cherry on top... And we’ve got employers who think the world owes them uber-supermen that will work for nothing.

And then they all cry to the government when their fantasies aren’t realized. Unions and their brain-dead ilk to the Democrats and business to the Republicans.

What both fail to realize is that we had, and still somewhat do have a free market. For most ALL goods AND services. And one type of service is a person’s labor. Hence a labor market.

And just like if you go to Wal-Mart and try to offer $50 for that nice 40” flat screen TV, you’ll get the same reaction if you offer $26/hr wages for and uber-tech guru. In other words, you’ll be laughed out of the market.

But instead of simply trying to pay what the current market rate is, whether for that nice 40” flatscreen or the uber-tech guru, most Americans now demand the government force the market to give them what they want at the price they want and d@mn the consequences.

And well, we are now starting to SEE the conseqences now.

It’s long past time that the government, for the most part, simply got out of the market. Keep the anti-monopoly laws in place, but BUTT OUT of labor, wages, and hiring/firing policies of our businesses.


9 posted on 07/03/2010 11:54:26 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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