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To: TigersEye
Child porn involves the inherent harm to others for its existence so it doesn't pass the liberty test.

By whose definition is this harmful? What about 12 year olds together, voluntarily, paid handsomely, making a film for perverts to watch? Oh that's right, it's still going to be illegal BECAUSE WE MAKE THE MORAL JUDGMENT that is wrong and therefore ban it along with all other types of kiddie porn.

Public nudity is legal in many places and shouldn't be a criminal act.

It is? At a few beaches, mostly private. Should you be able to walk buck naked into a Starbucks? Into the next screening of The Princess and the Frog?

If that's your definition of liberty, you need to find another country, ace.

Living in a teepee in Times Square would be a violation of other's property rights. That doesn't pass the liberty test.

There's plenty of City owned (ie public) spaces within times square. Set up your teepee there. Oh wait, you mean its a moral judgment and therefore law that we do not want people to occupy public spaces with their semi-permanent presence. No stick hut residences in Central Park? No tents on the intersection of 43rd street? Man, what statists!

Starting a Taliban Booster club should be, and probably is, perfectly legal.

I guess not.

Former NY student gets 15-years for aiding al Qaeda
http://thetvrealist.com/gossip/Former-NY-student-gets-15years-for-aiding-al-Qaeda-2711205.html

93 posted on 06/25/2010 2:00:30 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
What about 12 year olds together, voluntarily, paid handsomely, making a film for perverts to watch? Oh that's right, it's still going to be illegal BECAUSE WE MAKE THE MORAL JUDGMENT...

12 year olds are minors and do not enjoy the rights and privileges of adults. That may be a moral judgment to you but a reasoning adult can easily see that it is more properly a pragmatic distinction based on objective definable differences between adults and minors.

It is? At a few beaches, mostly private. Should you be able to walk buck naked into a Starbucks? Into the next screening of The Princess and the Frog?

There are many communities where it is legal everywhere as evidenced by recent stories from Boulder, CO and Eugene, OR. Starbucks and movie theaters are private property (a concept you seem to be having a real hard time understanding) and should be able to set their own rules in a free country. If you have a problem with that Cuba would be a good choice for you, chief.

There's plenty of City owned (ie public) spaces within times square. Set up your teepee there.

The city owned property is such because the people have decided it should be so and as a public thoroughfare is subject to regulation. How you can equate civil laws governing a public thoroughfare with a moral judgment is beyond my ability to imagine the chain of convoluted logic necessary to arrive there.

Former NY student gets 15-years for aiding al Qaeda

If you're going to alter your premises from post to post you can twist your irrationalities to any end. You cited a "Taliban Booster Club" as your example. Obviously that is a far cry from materially aiding and abetting a foreign-based terrorist group. Or did you purposely use a vague and misleading name for your example to try and lamely win a point? That was a rhetorical question.

94 posted on 06/25/2010 2:16:13 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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