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To: TigersEye

“Baloney. I am Pro-Life, against the Gay agenda, for a strong national defense (which doesn’t include the idiotic “nation building” liberal position Neo-Cons hold) and I am against the secular humanist indoctrination of children in public schools.”

Pro-Life views can be consistently held in the Libertarian Party, IF they acknowledge the unborn to be an individual human being. Unfortunately the vast majority of the Libertarian Party apparently does not. I am glad you do.

I am unaware of how you could oppose the gay agenda from a strict Libertarian viewpoint, but I’d be glad to hear it.

As for defense, the classic Libertarian position as I understand it is akin to the Swiss: actual defense of our borders only. No treaties, no fighting for allies: for example, a Libertarian would not approve of WW1, WW2, Korea, VietNam, Desert Storm, or the current conflict. If you disagree with that I’d love to know why.

As for public schools, you probably oppose public schools, as do I.


32 posted on 06/24/2010 11:28:10 PM PDT by Persevero (It's going to be a long summer.)
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To: Persevero
I am unaware of how you could oppose the gay agenda from a strict Libertarian viewpoint, but I’d be glad to hear it.

Did I say I was a libertarian? I am a conservative and that is why I support legalization of drugs. You are a statist. A pick-and-choose Constitutionalist. A smorgasbord patriot. ;^)

35 posted on 06/24/2010 11:51:44 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Persevero

If I may, I’ll take a crack at the question as to how a L/libertarian can oppose the gay agenda.

The gay agenda wants laws to be passed that confer upon them the same privileges extended to heterosexuals (e.g., marriage, automatic transfer of certain benefits upon death), as well as laws that make them “more equal” (e.g., hate crime laws). Not to forget of course the desire to require that everyone accept their [public] behavior, while at the same time not tolerating the behaviors or actions of those who disagree with them.

A libertarian, on the other hand, would likely first believe that marriage is an issue which with the state shouldn’t even be involved (it’s a contract between two individuals, barring any religious aspects of course), so they probably would be against gay marriage primarily because it’s yet another case of the government getting involved where it shouldn’t. Likewise for any other position where the gay agenda advocates for special rights, privileges or protection — at the end of the day, the state shouldn’t be involved in this.

In short, the gay agenda wants the government to use its power to enforce special laws aimed only at other gays (or for laws restricting the actions of those who are against the gay agenda). The libertarian does not want the government to take any of these measures. The libertarian can be aligned with a person who happens to be gay, but not a person who supports the gay agenda.


49 posted on 06/25/2010 7:23:51 AM PDT by nostrum09
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