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To: Joe Brower; Eaker; Squantos; hiredhand; CodeToad; Lurker; DuncanWaring; archy; Jack Black

A few more thoughts: If I knew I’d only be using my rifle from point blank to 200 yards, I’d say my EOTech would be great. Maybe even quicker under 100 yards with no magnification.

But from 100 to 600 yards, the Trijicon would win hands-down, no comparison. Zero. None.

And up close, there are those who say that the Trijoon acts like an “occluded eye gunsight” while you are swinging onto the target with both eyes open. That is, the left eye sees the target, the right eye sees that BRIGHT orange triangle. As you put them together and steady on target, the right eye comes into focus, and there you are, on target. I have not had a chance to test this (no free range gravel pits nearby) but it sounds like it would work.

Both are damn fine sights, but the Trijicon ACOG is hands down better.

Put a brake/comp in front, and you would have a seriously deadly off-hand running-around-and-shooting killer carbine.


2 posted on 06/18/2010 5:31:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

The Bindon concept does work with the Trijicon 4x32 for up close work, but if a person has a very strong dominant eye it can be a problem.

Lotsa practice solves it. It took a while for me to figure it out. But then , I have a hard head.


10 posted on 06/18/2010 5:49:54 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: Travis McGee
I concur with your assessment of the brake/comp. My Stag Arms AR-15 carbine does a fine job with one. I use a holo sight on mine, as it's intended for close in work. Very easy to stay on target. For long range shooting, I switch uppers and use a little more magnification.


28 posted on 06/18/2010 6:59:36 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Travis McGee

I consider the Aimpoint a maximum 200 sight for an M4. For longer range work, I have a sweet little accurized rifle with glass and shooting the 77gr SMK, the Mk262/0, it nails anything I can see.

I chose the Aimpoint for its brightness and toughness. I didn’t want magnified optics on an M4 as I consider that rifle a vehicle weapon used in urban combat for situations closer than 200 yards.


31 posted on 06/18/2010 7:09:10 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Travis McGee
We need to get a EOTech with a flip-to-side 4x magnifier for you to try.

I have that rig on my SOCOM II with custom rails.

Come to think about it after one gets an EOTech and the 4x magnifier and the quick mounts, you have spent enough money to buy the Jesus Sight.

33 posted on 06/18/2010 7:24:18 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: Travis McGee
My recommendation for the deadliest combo? Put a Trijicon on top of your M-4gery, and a muzzle brake/compensator on the front. Then you will be able to attack targets like a damn sewing machine! Who needs full auto, when you can just DRILL a target at 100 yards as fast as you can shoot?

You can't go wrong with an EOtech, ACOG, or Aimpoint, which is what our troops are proving every day. It boils down to personal preferences, and individual situations. For the 5.56mm round, I also like the Leupold CQB.

I also tend to play "musical optics" until I find the combination of scope and weapon that seems best to me. Between the brands of optics mentioned, and M-faux, Sig 556, FN FS2000, and HK SL8, there are enough permutations to provide plenty of trigger time for evaluations. Differences in shape, eye relief, mounting options, etc. all come in to play.

The 4x Trijicon works well out to 600 yards. Beyond that, I'm more concerned with the terminal ballistics of the round, rather than the rifle/scope/shooter combo being able to deliver consistent hits. So I did some research, and elementary gunsmithing, and came up with a handy little piece to fill the gap between mouse gun and series rifle.

The only thing un-handy about it is that it still weighs 12 pounds empty. But M118 match ammo speaks with authority.

42 posted on 06/18/2010 9:25:18 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: Travis McGee
question... my M1-A/SOCOM-16 has a forward mounted scope rail and i've never shot anything with a scope mounted so far forward, do you have any experience with said set up and is so, what do you think if it???
43 posted on 06/18/2010 9:40:51 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

Man, I’ve been wanting to get an ACOG for years...just a bit too pricy for the wallet these days...

But I did manage to get myself an EOTech, and I do not believe that was a mistake either...So the combination of that optic and rifle have been exactly what I want for what I want it to be utilized for...

Anything outside of 200-250 meters is going to have to be dealt with by other means...

And yes, it is annoying to not be able to send 30 downrange in the fun and fast way...

And to tell you the truth, I am still an old “iron sight” afficianado myself...I’ll turn the EOTech off, and flip up “ole reliable”, and go to work...

BTW, good review, and undoubtably you had a good time!!! Thats what counts..


50 posted on 06/19/2010 5:56:15 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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