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To: D-fendr

True on the distances - Ixtoc was in the southern gulf away from our shores and we still got it, obviously to a lesser degree than the nearby Mexican shores. But I was responding to the statement that “Ixtoc wasn’t spilling any thing near what this well is”.

The total barrels into the gulf may be close. And it is more to the point of this has happened before (and elsewhere - one in Australia) and the ocean floor didn’t collapse, there weren’t tsunamis, they didn’t spew oil until the “oil cavern” was dry, etc.

And it is obviously an environmental disaster (and don’t forget the 11 lives lost, the economic cost, and probably longer-lasting political cost).

Here’s a link with some comments on the environmental issues observed from the Ixtoc spill. Both nearby the well (Mexico) and far (Texas):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/01/gulf-oil-spill-ixtoc-ecological-tipping-point

Excerpt:

But although Ixtoc was a big disaster, it did not develop into the long-term catastrophe that scientists initially thought was inevitable.

“This is not to say there were no consequences. Just that the evidence is that these are not as dramatic as we feared,” says Luis Soto, a marine biologist from the National Autonomous University of Mexico. “After about two years the recuperation was well on the way.”

Wes Tunnell, now at the Texas Harte Research Institute, took samples before and after the oil arrived in Texas that showed an immediate 80% drop in the number of organisms living between the grains of sand that provide food for shore birds and crabs.

“Sampling a couple of years after the spill indicated the populations were back to normal,” he says. Six years after Ixtoc 1 exploded it was hard to find any evidence of the oil, he says. “It is rather baffling to us all. We don’t really know where it went.”


95 posted on 06/16/2010 12:45:49 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: 21twelve

My point was that the environmental damage is quite related to what part of the environment gets hit. Very little of Ixtoc oil made it to estuaries - mostly hit beaches.

This one is right off 40% of the total marshland of the US.

Second, and new, point. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that either they don’t know the flow and undersea situation or they’re not telling. So comparisons to Ixtoc are premature.

thanks for your reply.


96 posted on 06/16/2010 12:52:37 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: 21twelve

Differences also, according to what I have, just for the record:

Ixtoc water depth: 50 meters
Deepwater water depth: 1500 meters

Ixtoc drill depth: 3,000 meters
Deepwater drill depth: 5,500 meters


100 posted on 06/16/2010 1:04:51 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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