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To: Danae

Vattel’s work was translated multiple times before the Constitution was written, but not with the phrase “natural born citizen”. The French does no support that translation. “Natives” and “indigenous” would be the transliterated words used by Vattel, so the french speaking members would NOT have thought about ‘natural born citizen’. Had they wanted to follow Vattel, they would have inserted the words ‘native’ or ‘indigenous’. They did not.

English common law had established use of ‘natural born subject’, and it was natural for the Framers to use ‘citizen’ instead of ‘subject’, since a republic has no king. Multiple Supreme Courts rulings have used British common law to determine the original intent of the Founder’s phrase.

It is dishonest to pretend the Founders were using Vattel in writing NBC when you know full well that Vattel did not use the phrase in French, and no translator used it until AFTER the Constitution was written. Vattel was changed to match the Constitution’s phrase, not the Constitution using Vattel.


78 posted on 06/15/2010 2:35:26 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers

So, where did you get your crystal ball? The FOUNDERS spoke French, and READ french. They knew exactly what they were doing and WHY. The phrase didn’t getin there by accident. It was deliberate. Your whole argument rests on an ASSUMPTION that the phrase was included for what amounts to accidental reasons. BS. The framers were utterly specific for a reason, regardless of how much you don’t want to believe it.


98 posted on 06/15/2010 4:05:32 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Ok smartie, translate this:

Haole.

Hint: its native Hawaiian.


100 posted on 06/15/2010 4:07:14 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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