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To: tired_old_conservative
You cannot satisfy requirements when the requirements were not enforced. When secretaries of state blindly accept a form and the signatuires of party hacks, even when there are allegatuions of unqualified candidates, that is not SATISFYING requirements.

I understand the electoral process quite well and it is corrupt, overly controlled by the two major parties, and is basically, dishonest.

If anyone is delusional, it is people like you, who believe that the guy in the oval office has proven his qualifications, even while at the same time refusing to show the proof and spending time and money to avoid doing so. Normal people recognize that as "guilty behavior."

I have said what I have to say about the military. You are willing to have them follow the orders to carry out a war even when the person giving those orders has not shown the legal authority to do so under the same constitution the military is sworn to defend. I am not so gullible and willing to risk take with our military power.

84 posted on 06/16/2010 1:47:05 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: whence911
“You cannot satisfy requirements when the requirements were not enforced. When secretaries of state blindly accept a form and the signatuires of party hacks, even when there are allegatuions of unqualified candidates, that is not SATISFYING requirements.”

The details of Obama’s biography were a matter of public record when he was placed on the ballots. That counts. Using the legal process in place to get on the ballot counts whether you personally like it or not. Courts place value on satisfying the formal requirements enshrined in law regardless of their stringency, or lack thereof. For obvious reasons. To paraphrase Rumsfeld: “You adjudicate with the law you have, not the law you wish you had.”

“I understand the electoral process quite well and it is corrupt, overly controlled by the two major parties, and is basically, dishonest.”

No you don't. You think your personal discontent with it matters. It doesn't.

I get it. You don't personally like the way the process works. Can you imagine how many times a lawyer has heard that in their career? Cry me a river, and let me know when you find the statute that says your personal opinion counts in the least to a court.

“If anyone is delusional, it is people like you, who believe that the guy in the oval office has proven his qualifications, even while at the same time refusing to show the proof and spending time and money to avoid doing so. Normal people recognize that as “guilty behavior.””

Normal people recognize that he is under no legal obligation to do anymore than he has. Normal people recognize that he has publicly posted a COLB that matches the state of Hawaii's format, is consistent with other state's short forms, and which has not been disputed by the state of Hawaii, which it is legally allowed to do if someone fraudulently represents a state document. Normal people recognize that the supposed Internet refutations of this COLB have been offered by obvious frauds lacking qualification in forensic document analysis, and engaging in speculation about an Internet image, as opposed to an actual document, that no reputable forensic document analysis professional would ever do.

Normal people recognize that there is no legal basis for disputing Obama’s right to the office he won in a fair election. Normal people recognize that if one wants to do something productive, one should work to pass laws at the state level for ballot qualification. I doubt that would accomplish what you want, since I think it's pretty clear Obama was born in Hawaii and no court will support the two-parent NBC stuff, but I have no problem with people doing that. It is a reasonable thing to try in a representative democracy.

“I have said what I have to say about the military. You are willing to have them follow the orders to carry out a war even when the person giving those orders has not shown the legal authority to do so under the same constitution the military is sworn to defend. I am not so gullible and willing to risk take with our military power.”

You are so gullible as to swallow whatever nonsense you read on the Internet. I'm sorry you dislike the way we certify election results and subordinate the military to civilian authority, but c’est la vie.

87 posted on 06/16/2010 2:06:32 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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