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To: DiogenesLamp
Jeff Winston is polluting the Vattel Research thread with his crap.

The title of the thread is "Vattel & the meaning of the Constitutional term 'Natural Born Citizen'."

The fact is, Vattel has no relevance whatsoever to the meaning of the Constitutional term "natural born citizen."

And actually, a discussion of that FACT is entirely relevant to the thread.

You can't point to one single source from the Founders or Framers or anyone from their entire lifetimes who EVER said that the writings of Vattel, or his opinion on what citizenship should be, had the slightest relevance at all to the meaning of "natural born citizen."

Not one single quote. Not one single source. NOT ONE.

I think that's pretty darn relevant.

His point has been refuted, and He is merely doing it out of spite.

No, the point has not been "refuted." Do you even know what the word means?

Elsewhere, you said:

This statement requires three things to be true in order for it to support Jeff's theory.

1. That Chief Justice Marshall meticulously digested every single aspect of the book with the anal retentive obsession and specific attention to the detail of which Jeff is interested in, rather than just perused it.

It is clear that Chief Justice Marshall read the book in its entirety. If he had not, he would never have said, "With this exception, I do not recollect a single statement in your book which is not, in my judgment, entirely just."

2. That Chief Justice Marshall also interpreted that quote in the book in exactly the same anally retentive manner that Jeff wants him to.

You're kidding, right?

The quote could not possibly be more clear. 1) Natural born citizenship, and Presidential eligibility, only requires citizenship by birth. 2) People who are born to citizens to US citizen parents abroad, though not born in the United States, are citizens by birth, and are therefore natural born citizens and eligible to be elected President.

There's no possible damn way to interpret it any way other than what it clearly and plainly says.

3. That it Violates what Vattel said.

Whether it violates what Vattel said, it sure as hell violates the stupid birther claim that it takes birth on US soil plus citizen parents to make a natural born citizen. There's not the slightest question about that.

Nor can you pretend that Chief Justice Marshall could have ever read that quote and just "forgotten" about it. A subject as big as who was eligible to be President? Give me a freakin' break.

No. I think it's pretty clear. Chief Justice Marshall read Bayard's book and agreed with him that your stupid birther claim is full of cr*p.

The presence of unrelated and antagonistic messages makes it more difficult to search the thread for documents and quotes.

Nonsense. You can still find any "documents and quotes" you want.

I would ask the administrator to remove Jeff's message from this thread. He has already posted it in this linked thread, and he has no legitimate purpose in polluting the Vattel research thread with it.

Oh, so you can't deal with actual facts regarding natural born citizenship and have to go crying to mama, huh?

482 posted on 05/16/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

You have crossed the threshold of obsession and are not to be taken seriously.


483 posted on 05/16/2013 7:11:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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