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To: rxsid; El Gato; Red Steel; patlin; Spaulding

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=VqFsFMzezR4C&pg=PA95&dq=citizen+parents&hl=en&ei=SvkfTLG5EI2-cd__leIM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=5&ved=0CDsQ6wEwBA#v=onepage&q=citizen%20parents&f=false

4th Century Athens. Two citizen parents.

The idea of two citizen parents did not begin with Vattel.


180 posted on 06/21/2010 4:53:15 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid; El Gato; patlin; Spaulding; Red Steel

The Politics of Aristotle

“a citizen is defined to be one born of citizen parents”

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=3YMphP43H_0C&pg=PA71&dq=citizen+parents&hl=en&ei=B_sfTJuWMImyccHt1Z8N&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=citizen%20parents&f=false


181 posted on 06/21/2010 4:59:21 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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The Romans were the 1st to devise the concept of citizen where it applied to a civil society. ALL definitions whether natural or feudal derived their core foundations on Roman law. The term subject was derived when tribes were conquered and the King became the only sovereign. The subjects were stripped of all natural rights but those that the King or Prince allowed them to retain & the right to remove themselves and become members of another society was NOT one of them, hence the birth of perpetual allegiance. The Republics formed of free citizens were threatening to the feudal kings & princes. They were power hungry & greedy to own all lands. Subjects never really own their land, they merely rent it from the central sovereign.
182 posted on 06/21/2010 6:42:31 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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