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To: Fred Nerks

I figured it had to do with Mary Toutonghi. btw, I hope you had a Happy Christmas!

Yes, Mary’s saga was one of my particular pet peeves.

I hadn’t re-read this entire thread when I commented just now. I see my old comments now, and I realized my mistake about the two wives as soon as I read that.

Actually, at that point in time, I may not have known about Ruta, but my memory fails and there are too many details crammed into my brain by now, so I can’t be sure.

Ruta is Latvian, but I believe Mary is also “white Russian”. Latvian. Maiden name Zolin. Strangely enough, Ruth Baker Ndesandjo is Lithuanian, also sometimes called “white Russian”.

Maybe just one big happy family, huh? Do they all kind of resemble each other?

The biggest discrepancy concerning Mary was her “mistake” in math, where she claimed she babysat Obama when he was 7 months old, which would put his birth back in January 1961 or right around the time his “parents” supposedly married.


387 posted on 12/26/2012 10:18:06 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
...The biggest discrepancy concerning Mary was her “mistake” in math, where she claimed she babysat Obama when he was 7 months old, which would put his birth back in January 1961 or right around the time his “parents” supposedly married.

That was the important breakthrough that made it evident Anna Obama wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham, no matter how Mary tried to get around it, she put her foot in it when she said she baby-sat when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months old.

That article has been removed - but I do have a copy saved. I'll send you the text freepmail. It confirms what you wrote. Mary tried to cover herself later by making the child seven months old, but that comes out the same, January plus 7 months = August. She later added the seven months to AUGUST! And that took her to February/March 1962 according to her, but as you had already written, how did ANNA OBAMA get herself into the Polk for 1961-1962 if she showed up in early 1962...and of course that conflicts with the U of WA transcript. (The one that appeared out of thin air.)

388 posted on 12/26/2012 10:32:35 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Greenperson
...Ruta is Latvian, but I believe Mary is also “white Russian”. Latvian. Maiden name Zolin. Strangely enough, Ruth Baker Ndesandjo is Lithuanian, also sometimes called “white Russian”.

There's still something seriously wrong with the Ruth Ndesandjo story imo, not with the T.o.u.t.o.n.g.h.i. background, we now know Mary Zolin lived in Hollywood, which is where she went to school with the children of Bob Hope (she says) and that's where the eldest, Mary-Agnes was living, she married the geologist Oskar Franz Van Beveren in Heliopolis in 1944. The remainder of that family arrived in 1946, two years after Mary-Agnes. They embarked in Cairo.

Ruta, the second wife of Joseph was definitely Latvian:

PAULS WRITES, beautiful story.

It's the wiki revisions that Sally Jacobs made a few days before her book on the student from kenya was released, that are a surprise. No mention of where the family of Ruth came from, that she was from a Lithuanin Jewish family of refugees has disappeared, and instead of the family name of NIDZON, we have BAKER:

WIKI REVISION

389 posted on 12/26/2012 11:09:23 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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