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To: Islaminaction
Well, I'm not on the ping list, but I just wandered across this. I think Islamic terrorism is certainly a threat, but they don't really dominate a lot of that land you mentioned. And I looked up this Islamic State of America site; it seems pretty moribund.

Their list of what must be accomplished seems odd:

1. Teach tolerance and acceptance to the children - Achieved

Actually, that's a natural and naturally evolving part of our culture, so I don't think they had anything to do with it. If anything, their children are likely to be infected by it. The kids probably won't mind, either.

2. Create acceptance for a plurality of gods –Achieved

Again, that's part of our culture. They didn't have anything to do with it, and it renders us more resistant to falling under the sway of anyone’s absolute sense of religious fervor, not less. Plus, it's hard to imagine a real fundamentalist Islamicist advocating that when their whole religious sense is centered around what they would consider to be the one true God.

3. Gain sympathies and eventually acceptance in Hollywood -Achieved

Okay. Sure, maybe they can claim to have done that.

4. Register 100,000 Muslim voters -Achieved

I hate to break it to them, but they're going to need a heck of a lot more than that.

5. Get “acceptable” Islamic’s elected to congress and senate -Achieved

They've got what—one or two? I'd hardly call that achieved.

6. Win the war in Iraq at all costs -Close

Actually, they're not close. We obviously aren't going to be leaving behind the kind of closely allied government many Americans might have imagined when we took over. But they certainly haven't won. At worst for us it's just a mixed bag. Lots of things in life are.

7. Recognition for Islamic holidays -Achieved

Not really. We may have a stamp for Ramadan, but I don't recall any government offices, schools or businesses being closed. And they have a lot more holidays than just Ramadan. Do you think the average American can name even one of those?

8. Get Barack Hussein Obama elected as President -Achieved

Again, I don't really think they can take credit for that. That's like me leaning up against a building during an earthquake and then being amazed by my own strength when it falls.

9. Achieve application of shariah law –Close

Yeah, right. (roll eyes)

10. Enact zakat— Close

Again, yeah, right (roll eyes). But I will admit to actually knowing what zakat is.

11. Seat judges that will remove common law— Achieved

Common law? And that's supposed to mean what exactly? And how many judges have they actually seated? I think the answer would be a big, fat zero.

12. Prepare for militant take over if necessary— Unknown

Judging from their performance on the previous 11, I suspect it will be necessary. And I would give them a chance of slim and none without the slim.

Just my thoughts. Again, it's certainly a real security issue on a number of fronts, but having fought in the Cold War and lived with the specter of nuclear annihilation from the Soviet Union, the threat of an Islamic State of America being realized seems like some pretty weak tea.

7 posted on 04/23/2010 3:51:11 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

You are wrong. Maybe you should add yourself to the ping list.
You have no idea how far islam has encroached on our laws and our Constitution, not to mention taking over neighborhoods and universities.
Then there are the banks and financial firms who cater to sharia.
And then there are the public schools that enact rules to appease muslims masking the rules as something else like zero tolerance for touching. TOUCHING. All kids pay for ONE muslim being in a public school.
And then there are islamic indoctrination classes in public schools.
And the list goes on and on.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 4:15:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Please point out which land they do not dominate, that I said that they did.

Muslims to not have to enact change through our laws yet. They do it on the ground by constantly whining about what needs to be changed to suit their religion. Comparing this enemy to that of the Cold War, is not really a vaild comparison. Muslims are slowly taking over the word through the political aspect of Islam. If things do not change, it is just a matter of time until they takeover the West.

Iraq is now a Christian persecuting country, I do not consider that a great victory. Also the Sunni vs. Shiite feud took 69 lives today. That feud is not going to go away because the infidel wants it to. When the troops leave, it will only get worse.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 4:16:05 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: tired_old_conservative

BTW, that site is just the tip of the iceberg. Here is another...

Top Ranked Islamic Site Calls for the Final Jihad!

http://loganswarning.com/2010/04/18/top-ranked-islamic-site-calls-for-the-final-jihad/


10 posted on 04/23/2010 4:24:58 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: tired_old_conservative; Islaminaction
"I think Islamic terrorism is certainly a threat, but they don't really dominate a lot of that land you mentioned..."

The problem is they think on a different timescale than the average westerner. We often see political change in years, or decades - they often think back 100's or over 1000 years to the examples of islamic expansion and territorial conquest of vast tracks of territory across the globe after they crawled out of the Hijaz.

What you see them attempting to do in the US now, using ikhwan fronts and methods, is marking territory in the way a dog would pee on a tree. Once they can establish a history of "muslim settlement" and of compliance to sharia in a geographical location, it (in their eyes) justifies the next stage - acquisition of physical territory.

In decades or centuries to come, they will point to the areas where muslims lived, practiced sharia, or shared a keg of camels p*$$, and use it to justify land that was claimed, and this it would be an obligation to wage a violent jihad over.

You already see this second phase starting in EUrabia - muslim only areas, no-go zones for the kuffar.

After thru their own long history, WWII, the threat of the Soviet Empire and nuclear annihilation, I would guess the average EUrabian did not think islamic immigration (even just 2-5% muslims) would allow them to be dictated to by believers of a barbaric 7th Century ideology.

Muslims rule major Swedish city

(UK) Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims

The 751 No-Go Zones of France


11 posted on 04/23/2010 4:31:01 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: tired_old_conservative

TOC! I thought you were sticking to trolling the obama eligibility threads - yet here you are, making light of the swinish islamic takeover efforts.

Maybe not so strange, considering what Obama is, after all.


13 posted on 04/23/2010 4:47:58 PM PDT by Hardraade
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