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To: Islaminaction
“Outside of Israel, Islam has taken over the Middle East, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Malaysia.”

I think the tone of that is kind of alarmist. Of course it's the dominant religion in the Middle East. That is it's birthplace, coming well after the other Semitic religions and easily overwhelming them in another age. That's hardly a new or dramatic phenomena. And the spread to Malaysia and Indonesia is also a historic fact. Nothing new there.

It has also taken over large portions of Africa, Europe, India, the Philippines (Moro region), and (Southern) Thailand, etc.”

It took over large portions of Africa in the initial expansion. It has certainly made inroads in select countries, predominantly on the eastern half. That is true. But it has not taken over large portions of Europe. That is an exaggeration of a primarily urban phenomena associated with quasi-segregated immigrant enclaves. The experience in the US appears to be much more diffuse, largely due to our being an immigrant nation that naturally diffuses cultural concentrations even as they build. And Muslims certainly do not dominate India. They have a historical minority there that if anything is as often truly aggrieved as it is the aggressor. What they dominate is Pakistan, which was left off the list.

The regions of the Phillipines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. That's the exact same thing the Indian and Chinese populations do in Malaysia, which also sometimes spills over into violence, although less so as it has a historically more stable government.

“Now the problem is in our backyard, and the excuses for Islam continue. How much more land does it have to dominate before we wake up? The world avoided Nazism for as long as it could, and like the Nazis, pro-Sharia Muslims are not hiding their agenda.”

I don't think we have any problem even remotely comparable to that of poorer counties with varying degrees of central authority and historically aggrieved minority populations where literally hundreds can be killed by outbreaks on either side. What we have is a lot of kvetching about our civil rights. Certainly some of it is annoying. But the various entangled grievances of poor people in poor countries do not automatically place us at risk of anything other than acts of terrorism. Nor is the idea that the Muslim hordes will take over inherently any more valid than historical fears of the yellow peril or other similar stuff. In terms of actual ability to harm us, nations like Russia, China and even India have far more potential.

Muslims are not taking over the world. Much of their extremist rage is precisely over a perceived sense of powerlessness. That's a real issue to contend with, but we are not nearly as weak or fragile as our fears may sometimes counsel. We are the most powerful nation on earth, one with a tiny Muslim population.

In my opinion, if and when we eventually fall, it will be to the demons Western civilization created, such as communism or fascism, the things part and parcel of our own cultural DNA. It will not be to some poor religion alien to that culture and the vast majority of the population. None of which is to say that Islam cannot be a threat, or that it doesn't warrant monitoring and action at times. But hyperbole aside, Islam is not currently in any position to destroy us. If that is our destiny, we have already sewn those seeds ourselves, and they will reach fruition with or without Islam.

14 posted on 04/23/2010 5:15:06 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Have you looked at the islamic republic of what used to be Great Britain lately? Or what is going on in Canada?


15 posted on 04/23/2010 5:23:47 PM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: tired_old_conservative

1. Maybe we should sound the alarm after it is too late.
2. So its spread is nothing new. Your comment is pointless.... you seem to have no problem with Islam advancing.
3. You stated that they do not dominate where I said that they do. You have failed to prove me wrong.
4.I said parts of India. There is also Pakistan. Lets stick to what I said.
5. Muslims are trying to create Islamic states WITHIN Thailand, and the Philippines. If they get their way they will spread out from there. That is a problem.
6.Me pointing out how much land they have taken over, and how quickly Islam is spreading across the West, shows that they are taking over the world. I stand with facts, over your opinion.
7.Muslims do not have to be anywhere near the majority to takeover. All they need to do is keep pushing, and have excuse makers on their side.
8.US being the most powerful nation military wise, will not stop the political aspect of Islam from advancing. Stop comparing this to the Cold War.


18 posted on 04/23/2010 6:07:26 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: tired_old_conservative; Islaminaction
Pinging Islaminaction as a courtesy, as you're responding to his post, and I'm quoting.

"I think the tone of that is kind of alarmist. Of course it's the dominant religion in the Middle East. That is it's birthplace, coming well after the other Semitic religions and easily overwhelming them in another age."

The birthplace of islam was in makkah and madinah, in the hijaz area of the Arabian peninsula. Islam is an ideology that puts importance on capturing territory, converting and killing. From there, they took over the hijaz, the entire Arabian peninsula, and expanded, and took over more, expelling, converting and killing pagans, Christians and Jews along the way. Have you spoken to any Zoroastrians lately? From the fall of Constantinople, the occupation of Andalusia, right up to the muslim hordes marching up to the Gates of Vienna, there had never been any doubt they would have killed off Western Civilization if ever they had a chance. You say "Muslims are not taking over the world" but that is their aim. It always has been, slowly, step by step, conquering the darul harb until "peace" can be attained when the whole world is "darul islam."

Its really the statements on South East Asia I wanted to bring up, as others have covered the rest.

"The regions of the Philippines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. And the spread to Malaysia and Indonesia is also a historic fact. Nothing new there."

Jemaah Islamiyah and its splinter groups are looking to break off areas, slowly, one at a time to rejoin a Caliphate. Some big players attended Konferensi Khilafah Internasional, including Hizbut Tahrir. Part of the Green tide there, with GLOBAL players.

Islam was spread, and is still being spread there by lies, enabled by enforcing sharia and dhimmitude on non-muslims. In Malaysia, it's called the Bumiputra system, where islam claims anyone of malay stock at birth. They have no right to change their "religion." It's the Malays and Indonesians that "have been had, been took, been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok" by the deception of what is a "foreign influence" and what is not. Their muslim masters keep reminding them the western influence of a more and more interconnected world is a "foreign influence" but fail to remind those of Malay stock in Southern Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Borneo (E. Malaysia) Brunei, the Phillippines etc, are from pagan Hindu and animist ancestors before the islamic "influence." Today their long Hindu heritage from the times of the Malacca and original Kedah Kingdom, Srivijaya and Parameswara seems to mean little to them, short of nice stories for tourist guide books. They are conditioned to accept islam now, not as a "foreign influence" but as if is was native to their culture all along. A centuries old temple (Malaimel Sri Selva Kaliamman) in KL was reduced to destroyed by the muslim government recently. Kuala Lumpur has Churches, going back to the British Colonial days. The new administrative capital, PutraJaya, has loads of mosques and surau, but not much for other religions.

The very real foreign islamic influence "Arabization" is still at work there. Arab vistors however, are still often shocked by the Wayang Kulit shows depicting human forms or deities (deemed polytheist "shirk" in islam,) harram native joket dances featuring females with bare legs, arms and many movements similar to the native dances of Thailand and the Philippines.

The influx of Arab tourism, money, and TV cable channels is exacerbating this "foreign" influence to Malays and Indonesians. As little as ten years ago, if you asked a local Malay what he/she was, the chances were it would reply "Malay," identifying itself with the racial stock spread from Southern Thailand to Indonesia, and the Philippines. Today, more and more, they will answer "muslim," identifying themselves closer to the greater islamic ummah of the middle east than their own non-muslim countrymen and women. Even the traditional Malay "bomoh" witch doctor has to claim quranic inspiration for his remedies today so he's not persecuted as a mushrikun. Orang Asli are made to fall in line if they want get access to housing, education, and jobs. And Islam Hidari is a joke, everyone, and especially PAS know it, and can use it to point out those guilty of bidah.

The lie of what's a "foreign" influence has been repeated so often, it's now mostly accepted as if it were true. Of course the eeeeevil Europeans (as Mahathir MohamMAD called 'em) who brought them technology, infrastructure such as roads, railroads, and rule of law, trade, resources like rubber (smuggled there from South America) and the tin dredging technology to large start commercial mining, Cameron Highland Tea etc - all to enable them to develop their nation into what it is today - get no thanks. Never mind the locals would probably still be defecating in the same padi fields they grow their food in if it was not for infidel "foreign influence."

"The regions of the Philippines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. That's the exact same thing the Indian and Chinese populations do in Malaysia, which also sometimes spills over into violence, although less so as it has a historically more stable government."

No, it's far from the same. The KORANIMALS are the ones killing people, cutting off their heads, and hack Christian and Buddhist people to death when they are not oppressing them under their system of islamic apartheid. Tell me when the Chinese or Indians in Malaysia went on the rampage with their parangs and hacked the Bumis to death. When did the Churches play a call to attack muslims like those muslims broadcast from the mosques!?!?!?

Look into the history of UMNO and Barisan Nasional, and figure out how they cling to power using threats and intimidation a keep a whole nation hostage. There's alot of striking similarities to the mentality of our new Obama regime. (See the Obama - African Colonial threads)

32 posted on 04/23/2010 9:07:00 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Your screen name indicates an aged individual.

My opinions are a bit different from yours, and I have lots of years & miles.

You and I will live to see an allegiance betweeen the Left and Islam. It is the nature of their structure. Neither can “allow freedom”, no intelligent people want to live under such supression. Deception and lies are the only way either can take over a civilization.

The left hides within the environmental movement, in NGO’s, Non-Profit Corps. and Multi-National Corps. Islam hides in a society until it reaches a point where they can excerpt influence by force.

Both of these groups go against the very essence of the United States. Especially against the Christian community.

We are being challenged by the great deceiver and his minions. The battle WILL COME, no human or government will cause a lasting peace in the Middle East.


33 posted on 04/23/2010 9:15:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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