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HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

Factcheck.org goes on to say this about Obama Sr., Jr. and the British Nationality Act of 1948:

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

 

Even the modern day State Department rules discusses the problems associated with dual citizenship:

7 FAM 081: U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:

(e)While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person.

...

the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both." See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952).

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86563.pdf

So, back to the question: "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"
It can't. Of course not. Yet, right there, on his campaign web site F.T.S., it's stated that a foreign government "governed" Barry from birth and the reason it did, was that Barry inherited that foreign citizenship by way of his foreign national father (no matter where he was born), a fact backed up by Factcheck.org. Assuming, of course, that Sr. was his legal father at birth.
How, then, could he possibly be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.?
Barry Soetoro, the divided citizen at birth!

Barack Obama a/k/a Barry Soetoro * NOT Obama / Soetoro
* This assumes HI birth.

http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed the parents (or grandparents or other relative) of baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. A mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his grandparents (who forged the parent signature(s)) would have been enough to set up a birth record and a birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The Dept of Health would (presumably) then have automatically sent the names of the parents, their address as given on the mailed-in form , the gender of the child, and the date of birth to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin. The address given for the parents in the newspaper announcements is actually, however, the August 1961 home address of Obama’s maternal grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham [6085 Kalanianaole Highway], and not the 1961 home address of Barack Obama, Sr. [625 11th Ave].) This notification would then have automatically generated the newspaper announcements. (This was the practice of the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin at the time).

Bottom line: Even IF (big IF) he was born in HI, he inherited his father's foreign citizenship as well, making him a US citizen by US law and the subject of the crown of her majesty the Queen of England by inheritance and England's law. He could not be considered a Natural Born Citizen as known by and as intended by the framers.

1 posted on 04/23/2010 2:22:47 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks; BP2; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Ping!

"George Washington Consulted the Legal Treatise "Law of Nations" during his First Day in Office"

2 posted on 04/23/2010 2:23:29 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

thanks


3 posted on 04/23/2010 2:29:09 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: rxsid

5 posted on 04/23/2010 2:31:38 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rxsid
George Washington Consulted the Legal Treatise "Law of Nations" during his First Day in Office

And that's not all!

There were at least THREE copies of that work in the room at Philadelphia when the Constitution was being written!

6 posted on 04/23/2010 2:35:47 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: rxsid

wondering when John Jay wrote the letter to Washington..requesting natural born citizen be added..did he translate the meaning to him..do we know if Jay knew French?


7 posted on 04/23/2010 2:36:10 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

Common law, natural law, and the law of nations are different names and approaches for what might be called the Western consensus on what law is, or should be.

They are based on classical philosophy and on Judaeo-Christian morality and theology. All of them rely on the idea that there is such a thing as objective good and evil and objective justice, free from subjective opinion and selfish desires.

Our whole civilization is based on such principles, and cannot stand in the face of political leaders who think that the law is whatever they want or whatever they choose it to be.

This goes way back beyond the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries—to St. Thomas Aquinas, to St. Augustine, to St. Paul the Apostle, to Aristotle and Cicero, and to many others on whose ideas our civilization was built. And finally, as the Founders suggested, it is owed to that God whose law is written in our hearts.

Needless to say, this is not something that modern liberal jurists are likely to understand.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 2:42:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rxsid; David; Velveeta; JustPiper; Vendome; hoosiermama; onyx; SE Mom; Bahbah; maggief; Liz; ...

Excellent .. thank you !


14 posted on 04/23/2010 2:58:12 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: rxsid

didn’t know where you were going with this. I only read the title earlier.

Good write up.


15 posted on 04/23/2010 3:01:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: rxsid

HIGH FIVE!

Thanks for finding and posting this. Here’s hoping Lakin can get to discovery and uses all these sources.


21 posted on 04/23/2010 4:43:40 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: rxsid

bump


23 posted on 04/23/2010 4:52:17 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: rxsid; All

Benjamin Franklin to Charles-Guillaume-Frédéric Dumas, Dec 9, 1775

“I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of VATTEL. It came to us **in good season** when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary FREQUENTLY to CONSULT the LAW OF NATIONS. Accordingly, that copy which I KEPT, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the college of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed) has been CONTINUALLY in the HAND of the MEMBERS of our CONGRESS, now sitting, who are much PLEASED with your notes and preface, and have ENTERTAINED a HIGH and JUST ESTEEM for their author” {VATTEL}...

(Emphases mine)

STE=Q


32 posted on 04/23/2010 10:04:01 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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33 posted on 05/03/2010 6:27:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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