Thank you for responding eloquently.
Indeed, this thread is older than some of the cheese in my fridge. You were pinged because you posted to this thread a long time ago.
Here it is: http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2492995/posts?page=101#101
True, I agree with your claim that the Constitution is there to protect us from tyranny of a few evil men, even if elected by the people. If I remember my 8th grade civics, in theory it protects us through “checks and balances” between the branches of government.
You claim that the “Rights” codified in the contract ( the Constitution ) are in your opinion, an extension of Divine Law. You further claim that the 2nd amendment does not conflict with Divine Law. I don’t know.
The problem we have in the USA right now, is the following:
H = Holiness Of The Church
V = Violence and depravity in the surrounding culture
S = Sanity needed to handle the 2nd amendment
H - V = S
Holiness Of The Church - Violence and depravity in the surrounding culture = Sanity needed to handle the 2nd amendment
We don’t have enough “S”, a.k.a. Sanity needed to handle the 2nd amendment, without random shootings that happen often enough for the nation to desire stricter gun control.
If you are also a Christian, based on the Old and New Testament verses I cited, we are to ...
1) love
2) forgive
3) pray for
4) not curse
... our government, Obama, and the Democrats.
If you’re not a Christian, do what you want.
If you are a Christian, do what you want, but I recommend you stop disobeying Christ.
You said:
>oh, you say that the ‘vote’ means we have delegated our Power to those who would rule us,
>and therefore we cant mock or defy bambam ???
No. I am saying that our “vote” was divinely ordained by God to put ...
1) President Obama
2) Democratic controlled Senate
3) The Supreme Court
... into place over us, given Daniel 4:25 and Romans 13:1.
If we want them to become “born again Christians” where God miracles them into the Kingdom, and they love righteousness, and hate tyranny, we need to ...
1) never stop striving to be perfect in God’s eyes, according to God’s standards
2) pray for them
3) share the faith
4) repeat
Otherwise, Civil War 2 will make invasion by China/Russia/friends MUCH easier. We’d be finished as a nation.
>sorry, but those Rights and the Constitution are derived from God himself
When American “Christians” ignore clear scripture, in that they think ...
1) 1 Peter 4:17 - “judgement begins at the house of God” does not apply to them
2) and cursing and hating our leaders, divorce, porn, homosexuality, no sharing the faith, violence, are all OK with Jesus, despite obvious scripture
3) since “Christians” have believed the lie of “Eternal Security” no matter their sins, against the counsel of Acts 26:20 and http://eternalsecurity.us/
... then all bets are off, and we deserve tyranny at best, and destruction at worst.
“Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants.”
- Benjamin Franklin
I’ll give you that we have tyrants, but we as Christians have not repented, we’re ready to kill government agents coming for our guns, and we have not prayed for Obama or the Democrats.
This is a short list of sin among USA Christians:
1) Porn among Christians is a gigantic problem. http://www.crosswalk.com/church/pastors-or-leadership/how-many-porn-addicts-are-in-your-church-1336107.html
2) 2% of all Christians share their faith according to LivingWaters.com
3) The Christian divorce rate
4) Christians running after money
... I could go on and on, but you get the idea. There is no holiness in the USA church, and just like in Old Testament days, God is raising up China/Russia/friends to destroy us.
however i still am not convinced that the Lord requires us all to be slaughtered sheep...therefore i disagree with your premise of...
"No. I am saying that our “vote” was divinely ordained by God to put ... 1) President Obama
2) Democratic controlled Senate
3) The Supreme Court
... into place over us, given Daniel 4:25 and Romans 13:1."
unless by 'over us' you mean in a Constitutional manner...because unless bound by that contract, bambam has no authority or title to be respected or submissive...
in the 4 Gospels, Peter isnt scolded for lopping off the ear of 'the lawful authority' or even genrally for violence against another human being...hes scolded for trying to alter the Fathers Plan...
if not for righteous resistance to unGodly men, Christianity wouldve been eradicated from this earth 2000 yrs ago...
different parts of the body serve different functions...the hands and feet are indeed deadly...