Posted on 04/11/2010 5:31:49 AM PDT by jentilla
Ron, One-Trick-Pony, Paul has wandered from his circus tent.
Ron who?
Your Comet is ready..........
Corporatism is a progressive form of socialism, one that relies on cooptation rather than outright nationalization. In a corporatist system, the state makes all important decisions. Nominally private entities are allowed a seat at the table, but only so long as they toe the line.
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Exactamundo. Which means that Paul got this one right. I regret not voting for Paul when our choices in FL were Huckabee, Romney, McCain or Guilianni.
I read this stuff all the time but there is never any support for it. Ron Paul is for less military intervention around the world (so am I); he's also for abolishing the Fed (so am I with the caveat that I want a real discussion of alternatives rather than the declarations that people are coo-coo if they point out that this system is not working and we are all in huge debt and getting in deeper and deeper trouble as time goes on). Strangely enough I was a Duncan Hunter supporter early last time, then Thompson. I guess I viewed them as electable and trusted they would work for a smaller government even with internationally aggressive foreign policies. Then the wheels came off for the Republican party and we ended up with loser McCain. That said this Ron Paul bashing is something I don't understand.
Ping to 46. Please let me know why you think Paul deserves bashing.
I heard people calling in to the Bill Press Pinko show and saying BOzo should challenge Limbaugh and Beck to a debate being they call him a socialist. These people ( mainly black) are delusional. An event like that would truely show what a dolt BOzo really is. I hope it happens.
obama offers socialism to the poor,
while taking over the auto industry, financial sectors, health care, etc.,
and he will unionize those corporations.
so, it’s a mix of socialism and fascism (also a form of socialism.)
Ron Paul is a useful Idiot!!
yes.
obama offers socialism to the poor,
while taking over the auto industry, financial sectors, health care, etc.,
and he will unionize those corporations.
so, it’s a mix of socialism and fascism (also a form of socialism.)
Probably because Paul doesn't want the US to go broke being world policeman and one-line posters think we should fight the world's battles.
Dear Leader and these "Progressives" who have now seized power do not completely fit any prior description I have seen as far as political philosophy. I propose naming that philosophy "commufascist"
The goal of the current "Progressives" that are in power is one-world government, and this is all part of their strategy to achieve it. They are almost Fascists in the government they espouse. On 29Aug2009, I last posted an analysis of this question I had researched and developed throughout last summer. It is time to post it again - apologies to those who have already seen and absorbed it.
People are now realizing just what the word "Progressive" means. The leftists needed a new name in America when the voters permanently soured on the direction "liberals" were pulling the country.
These super-liberals who call themselves "PROGRESSIVE" espouse a new form of government that is actually a synthesis of two previously existing government forms: Communism and Fascism.
When many use the word “fascist” they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush “fascist”, that was simply a smear. When I challenged them to define fascist, and they were unable to respond, I educated them. That reduced them to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by his town hall antics) as I will demonstrate.
However, when using "Fascist" here, I am NOT using it as a pejorative. It's an attempt to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.
I excerpt part of http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism as a base for the analysis.
The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that
- exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
- uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
- engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and
- espouses nationalism and sometimes racism or ethnic nationalism. ,
... The purpose of the government under fascism proper was to value itself as the highest priority to its culture in just being the state in itself, the larger scope of which, the better...
... The Nazi movement spoke of class-based society as the enemy, and wanted to unify the racial element above established classes. The Fascist movement, on the other hand, sought to preserve the class system and uphold it as the foundation of established and desirable culture...
...Fascism rejects the central tenets of Marxism, which are class struggle, and the need to replace capitalism with a society run by the working class in which the workers own the means of production. ...
[Fascism includes] capitalism ... This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries.
Look at the agenda the Progressives have undertaken since gaining control of Congress in 2006, and indeed before that time. Control of business, reduction of personal liberty, using propaganda and censorship to suppress opposition, social regimentation, higher taxes which again reduces personal liberty, expanding national government everywhere, even severe regimentation passing laws about light bulbs and on and on. Much of their agenda and methodology is VERY fascist.
However, bullet points 1 & 4 give us a problem whether we use nationalism or racism. Progressives certainly never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States so are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They don’t use racism that way, either- they merely use it as a pejorative. Thus, we are not quite accurate in equating Progressivism with Fascism.
A digression concerning Nazi (National Socialist) vs. Fascist: Nazi is a subset of Fascist, but that subset does not include any more Progressive traits than Fascist.
What actually is needed to describe Progressives is Fascism that is NOT nationalist, at least nationalism in the sense of promotion of their nation as superior.
They are not Socialist (Marxist), either. When have you EVER heard a Progressive politician or any of the Democrats extol the virtues of having a classless society? Certainly they don't desire that for themselves or their rich donors! They are definitely in favor of a classes, with themselves in the highest class.
This brings up the following, from the same main source: http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism
In terms of socio-economic systems, communism and socialism are two different things. For example, socialism involves the existence of a state, while communism does not...[and] abolishes private ownership altogether.
I’ve heard it argued that Communism has never been implemented, as a result. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO “state”.
This helps us gain some ground. Communism shares this major feature of "no state" with Progressivism! So, where are we now?
These super-liberals, including Dear Leader and those who are currently running congress, have been pushing CapNTax, ObamaCare, apologies for the US, making nice with sworn enemies, international law, eliminating military superiority, etc.. In nearly EVERY area of our culture or economy that they have been pushing most fervently, they push for a leveling of the US with other nations, and attempt to remove national differences and boundaries. These fit with Communism, except that they have NO DESIRE to eliminate "classes" of people, or that the state OWN business- they only wish to CONTROL business as in Fascism (they have stated that they don't want to run the banks or auto companies) and they don't mind that their favored elites are billionaires, just as in fascism. Like fascism, they desire to control individual thought and behavior and forcibly suppress dissent.
Either we stipulate that the “whole world” is the “nation” for Dear Leader et al, to accurately describe their government philosophy, and state they are "ONE-WORLD FASCISTS", or we need a new word to describe their desired governmental system.
A word that would accurately synthesize their thinking is:
CommuFascist
The important point, though, is that whether this philosophy is labeled CommuFascist, or “Progressive” or One-World Fascists, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism and VERY extreme form of liberalism. Dear Leader is a “one-world” Mussolini.
Far from being pejorative, analysis reveals I was being generous when I was describing them as Fascist, not pejorative. I might be calling them something more extreme instead, “Progressive” or equivalently, CommuFascist.
Dear Leader and these "Progressives" who have now seized power do not completely fit any prior description I have seen as far as political philosophy. I propose naming that philosophy "commufascist"Isn't that a Stalinist or a Maoist?
Obamalini?
Because FR is a conservative site.
Conservatives do not blame America for all the problems in the world. Conservatives do not say one thing and do something completely opposite, ie saying he is against earmarks, but taking everyone he can get. Conservative work to get things done. In all the time cut and run has been in congress, what has he ever actually accomplished?
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Are you aware that there is not a single supported fact in your entire post? I asked why bash him and you reply with no information at all.
“ONE-WORLD FASCISTS”
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Very good insight. I think One-World Fascist is the most accurate and descriptive way of putting it.
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