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Posted on 04/08/2010 11:40:16 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
Senator Patty Murray (D, Wa) doesn't want to hear from her constituents if they are upset at her vote for Obama's take over of our nation's healthcare. One voter in particular has earned Murray's ire. He has almost daily called Murray's offices and in no uncertain terms informed the Senator that he hates her healthcare votes. Really hates it.
Murray was so upset that her constituents had the gall to call and complain that she cravenly called in the F.B.I. to trap upset constituent Charles A. Wilson. The F.B.I. came upon an outrageous idea in order to confirm that the phone number registered in Murray's caller I.D. was, indeed, being used by Mr. Wilson to "threaten" the Senator.
An F.B.I. agent called Wilson and pretended to be a representative of Patients United Now, an arm of the conservative, free-market organization Americans for Prosperity...
Read the rest at Publiusforum.com...
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>Sort of like making apple pie without apples . . . .
How so? What if this is the first article I’ve read on the incident? {Let’s assume that I’ve been busy and only skimmed the headlines of previous articles pertaining to the story and this was the first one that I got around to reading...}
There’s no issue if this is the first “article” you’ve read—everyone has to start somewhere, sometime. It’s the author’s fault for failing to give you the whole story.
Might make sense to do a little more research before jumping on the bandwagon to defend the guy then.
I'd consider this to be a threat (assuming the FBI can be believed):
Wilson is quoted as saying. “By your attempts to overtake this country with socialism, somebody’s gonna get to you one way or another and blow your … brains out, and I hope it does happen. If I have the chance, I would do it.”
Comrades, if you are havink nothink to hide, why be worrying about KGB?
from allrecipies:
fake apple pie- never made this, but i saw the recipe on the ritz cracker box
Ingredients
* 1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
* 2 cups water
* 1 1/2 cups white sugar
* 1 1/2 teaspoons cream of tartar
* 25 buttery round crackers
* 1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 2 tablespoons butter
Directions
1. Preheat oven to 450 degrees F (225 degrees C).
2. Roll out pastry and set aside. Bring water to a boil in a large saucepan.
3. In a small bowl mix together sugar and cream of tartar. Add mixture to boiling water. Stir, then add crackers, one at a time. Boil for 3 minutes, but do not stir.
4. Pour cracker mixture into pastry-lined pie pan. Sprinkle crackers with cinnamon and dot with butter or margarine. Cover with top pastry. Seal edges and cut steam vents in top.
5. Bake in preheated oven for 30 minutes, until crust is golden brown. May need to cover top pastry partway through baking to prevent overbrowning.
>>How so? What if this is the first article I’ve read on the incident?
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>Might make sense to do a little more research before jumping on the bandwagon to defend the guy then.
Maybe not, I like to argue sometimes. :)
>I’d consider this to be a threat (assuming the FBI can be believed):
Consider this:
1) It is illegal in a lot of states to record a phone conversation without consent of at least one party; in some states it is illegal unless ALL parties are aware and consenting.
2) The FBI impersonated an organization WITHOUT the consent of that organization; this is fraud [and perhaps defamation] when done by a citizen to another citizen (or organization).
3) It was also the FBI which ran the sniper-incident at Ruby Ridge, wherein they killed an unarmed mother holding her infant child. {Try that if you’re a US military sniper in a warzone and see if you get honorably discharged...}
4) The taped responses could have been ‘led into’ by the FBI agent, sort of like goading someone who is angry on and on and on until they do (in this case say) something they would have not otherwise done... all the prior egging-on by the agent (if this is the case) would NOT be released, but only the “damning” portion.
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>Wilson is quoted as saying. “By your attempts to overtake this country with socialism, somebody’s gonna get to you one way or another and blow your … brains out, and I hope it does happen. If I have the chance, I would do it.”
I gave my love a cherry, that had not stones.
I gave my love a chicken, that had no bones ....
Just because I feel many of the actions of the FBI make them a shining example of an out-of-control government at its worst, doesn't make me defend a nutball that's making death threats against somebody else. I see no evidence of entrapment of an innocent person here. I know that the FBI has a history of that kind of behavior, but that isn't enough to make me rush to the guy's defense.
>Just because I feel many of the actions of the FBI make them a shining example of an out-of-control government at its worst, doesn’t make me defend a nutball that’s making death threats against somebody else.
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>I know that the FBI has a history of that kind of behavior, but that isn’t enough to make me rush to the guy’s defense.
I’m just saying that I’m taking EVERYTHING regarding this story with a brick of salt. The FBI claims are just those, claims... as are the congressman’s and the media’s. Given the congress’s “whine and complain when someone disagrees”-leadership [Nancy Pelosi, ‘swastikas’] along with rush/ram-it-through tactics [Dec 24 comes to mind]... the credibility there is infinitesimal. The same with a media system that virtually ignores an in-excess-of-1-Million protest in the Capital, or refuses to expose/investigate ACORN and it’s encouragement of illegal & immoral activities, it has likewise forfeited all claim to credibility.
So we have this story, conveyed by non-credible ‘reporting,’ of the claims of death-threats of a non-credible Congressman, investigated and pursued by a non-credible federal agency... so, yes, I do see a problem here.
Headline?
Opponent of parking meters vows "I will give no quarter."
Local Man Charged With Conspiracy
Prosecutors charge he intended to park and not pay the meter, inspire others.
Yep, Brock Adams was right...she is “just a mom in tennis shoes”
If the FBI is guilty of obstruction of justice, the responsible people should be locked up. If this guy is making terroristic threats, he should be locked up, just like anybody that would make similar threats against Michele Bachmann. We can't have a country where our representatives base their votes on appeasing nuts that will kill them if they vote the wrong way.
Then again, Jefferson did have a good point when he said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
>> The FBI impersonated an organization WITHOUT the consent of that organization; this is fraud [and perhaps defamation] when done by a citizen to another citizen (or organization).
Undercover operations are not fraud, not illegal, and the FBI does not need the permission of the organization to conduct an undercover operation. The operation was conducted in the name of the FBI — they held themselves out as the conservative organization only to the individual under investigation.
This is not problematic. This person may have had friends or acquaintances in the organization that might’ve warned him that he was being sought. The FBI does not have a duty to inform anyone outside of the justice system of their undercover investigations.
There is no reason to think this individual was coaxed into making threats ... they appear to be voluntary.
SnakeDoc
>There is no reason to think this individual was coaxed into making threats ... they appear to be voluntary.
“Appear” is the key-word I’m getting at.
There are many laws that ‘Appear’ legal but are, in fact, not.
I will give you one example:
My State Constitution says, in Art 2 Sec 6:
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
Please note the first part of the first sentence:
“No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense.”
Now there is ALSO a state Statute which prohibits firearms on university campuses ( full text: http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=66b036fd.eebbfe6.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-7-2.4%27%5D ), it’s first section says:
“Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises consists of carrying a firearm on university premises except by:” {exceptions irrelevant at this point}
This law blatantly restricts keeping and bearing arms, firearms in particular, from being used for self-defense [at the university].
Now, If I were to go open-carry on campus. {The State Constitution clearly distinguishes between hidden and visibe weapons.} I would be arrested for taking a firearm onto campus, correct?
Would that arrest be legitimate?
I would have, indeed, violated the State Statute... appearing to have broken the law.
...but the mere fact that that the authority to make such a law is denied to the Legislature [by the document which incorporates said Legislature] makes that statute null and void.
>> “Appear” is the key-word I’m getting at. There are many laws that ‘Appear’ legal but are, in fact, not.
For the ‘entrapment’ defense, which is what you’re claiming ... the burden of proof is on the DEFENDANT to show that he was coaxed by law enforcement into behavior that he would not have otherwise been engaged in. From other statements, he is apparently ALWAYS involved in this kind of nonsense.
With crimes, you’re innocent until proven guilty. If they prove your guilt, and you claim entrapment (which is basically “Yeah, I did it, but they made me.”) your guilt is already proven, and you must prove your innocence (i.e. prove that you were entrapped).
I’m not sure of the connection to your gun example ... there is no right to make threats, so this would not be comparable to the conflict between the right to bear arms, and campus gun laws.
SnakeDoc
Wilson claims membership in Weather Underground
Accused Man shouts, "Off the pigs!"
Fights for social justice, education reform, claims Wilson
Hey! it's an old trick but it's worked so far for the Ayers.. but times running out. I hope!
Weathermen’s Ticking Time Bomb
University employees and high ranking government and media employees are facing growing difficulties protecting Mr. and Mrs. Bill Ayers.
"[S]peaking publicly for the first time about the investigation, former FBI agents have told Village Voice Media the basis for their belief that the Weather Underground was behind McDonnell’s murder. The agents have revealed that two credible eyewitnesses — both former left-wing radicals tied to the Weathermen — gave detailed statements to investigators in the 1970s alleging that Dohrn and Howard Machtinger, another member of the group, were personally involved in organizing the deadly attack."
You do know that I was being sarcastic of course.
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