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To: edge919

You keep making a mistaken assumption. Fukino’s statement doesn’t verify any birth records ... unless she produces these records and shows that they are indeed birth records. She might be referring to political affadavits, correspondence to her office, e-mail or even newspaper articles. There’s no evidence she’s referring to a birth record in support of her undocumented claim that she saw records verifying Obama was born in Hawaii. We do know she was not referencing the original birth certificate.


There is no “assumption” on my part. I have only stated facts. The Hawaii Certification of Live Birth IS an official birth record.

You are dead wrong on what Dr. Fukino actually said yet again: “...the original vital records...” in her statement IS verification by the state official charged by statute with making such verifications.
A “political affidavit,” “correspondance,” “email” or a “newspaper article” is NOT an “original Vital Record.” Hawaii laws explicitly spell out EXACTLY what are to be considered as vital records. The primary categories are birth records, death records, adoption records and marriage and divorce records.

Dr. Fukino is backed up in her verification by the further corroboration of Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Records for the state of Hawaii who also has reviewed the original Obama vital records. You may not like it, but that’s the way it is.

Dr. Fukino has already released the Index Data record for Barack Hussein Obama II. It verifies that the state of Hawaii has a BIRTH RECORD for a male child named Barack Hussein Obama II. You can see it for yourself here:
http://www.hi5deposit.com/health/vital-records/obama.html

That information is further corroborated by the two birth announcements for a male child born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on August 4, 1961 which appeared in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten and the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13, 1961 and August 14, 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
Those announcements came from the Health Department’s statistics and not from family or friends.

The point is that those trying to disqualify Obama at this late date have a very high legal mountain to climb. Obama is under no obligation to prove his eligibility, his opponents have to prove him to be ineligible: “presumption of innocence.”
At the bottom of every Hawaii Certification of Live Birth it clearly states: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”


37 posted on 04/08/2010 12:51:14 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Obama could have been born on the White House lawn.
HOWEVER -
Obama admits that Obama Sr is his father.
His father was NOT a U.S. Citizen. He was a British citizen (since Kenya was ruled by UK).
Therefore, Obama has dual-citzenship which renders him NOT a NATURAL born citizen and therefore, ineligible for the Presidency according to the Consitution.
Game Set Match


39 posted on 04/08/2010 1:13:21 PM PDT by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: jamese777
A “political affidavit,” “correspondance,” “email” or a “newspaper article” is NOT an “original Vital Record.” Hawaii laws explicitly spell out EXACTLY what are to be considered as vital records. The primary categories are birth records, death records, adoption records and marriage and divorce records.

Yet when requests were made for copies of e-mail requests and correspondence related to Obama's birth records and any subsequent amendments, the DOH replied that these documents were considered to be part of the vital records. IOW, they were saying that anything they wanted to consider sacred could be protected by calling it part of the vital records.

But, I agree wiht you that there are only birth, death, marriage and divorce records maintained by the DOH. When they changed their specificity from 'original birth record' in October 2008 to 'vital records' in the plural in July 2009, this was a direct admission by Fukino that the original birth record was insufficient by itself to prove the place of birth. Whether e-mails and newspaper articles are sufficient, I say, let's have full disclosure

Dr. Fukino is backed up in her verification by the further corroboration of Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Records for the state of Hawaii who also has reviewed the original Obama vital records. You may not like it, but that’s the way it is.

Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D. only helped verify that an original birth certificate was on file, nothing more. THAT ... is the way it is.

Dr. Fukino has already released the Index Data record for Barack Hussein Obama II. It verifies that the state of Hawaii has a BIRTH RECORD for a male child named Barack Hussein Obama II. You can see it for yourself here:

Yet this doesn't confirm a place of birth nor does it preclude that amendments have been made to Obama's birth record ... and most importantly it does nothing to confirm that the whole of Obama's alleged COLB is genuine. Incidentally, up until at least 1990 the Index Data included the certificate number. In other states, the certificate number is still part of the birth index. Yet when faced with a slam-dunk proposition of confirming that the certificate number in the factlack photos is genuine, the DOH has balked. Wonder why.

That information is further corroborated by the two birth announcements for a male child born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on August 4, 1961 which appeared in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten and the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13, 1961 and August 14, 1961.

Right, and those publication dates along with differing publication dates and lower numbers on the Nordyke twins' BCs helps corroborate that the certificate number on Obama's alleged COLB is fraudulent, but those same newspaper announcements do NOT corroborate a place of birth.

Those announcements came from the Health Department’s statistics and not from family or friends.

You're not telling the whole story. Without seeing an original birth certificate, we don't know who reported Obama's birth to the Health Department, so yes, that information, BY LAW, could have come from family or friends.

The point is that those trying to disqualify Obama at this late date have a very high legal mountain to climb. Obama is under no obligation to prove his eligibility, his opponents have to prove him to be ineligible: “presumption of innocence.” At the bottom of every Hawaii Certification of Live Birth it clearly states: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

Great point. A quick way Obama could resolve any doubts would be by entering his alleged COLB in a court of law to see if it passes scrutiny. The Kenyan chicken refuses and has made the HI DOH pick up and cover for his lazy, fraudulent ass. What kind of scum does that?? Do you know??

43 posted on 04/08/2010 7:30:17 PM PDT by edge919
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