Posted on 03/27/2010 9:58:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee
I hate to say it but we need to all get a feel for how are neighbors are. When the economy collapses, will they be a help or a burden? I’d love to help all who come to me but I can’t feed and arm everyone. If they can’t do it for themselves, you and I cannot save them.
But, given the above, we must try. However, we must encourage our friends and neighbors now, rather when it’s too late. I know which of my neighbors I can stand shoulder to shoulder with. I know which cannot be trusted with information or arms.
Thinking about it, there would be some people who do not presently own firearms either by choice or due to current legal restrictions, who night otherwise be a good person to be armed.
Someone who fought in war and has changed their life around so that guns no longer fit into the picture / their lifestyle and/or who consider themselves done with guns and killing since they did enough of it fighting in war in the past, for instance.
I also seem to recall that with the passage of the Lautenberg amendment Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban some people who had plead guilty to misdemeanor domestic violence suddenly lost their right to legally own firearms forever.
Also I seem to think that there were (or was a plan to) have returning soldiers who got a PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) diagnosis tagged as being too mentally unstable to legally own guns.
So assuming that some people don't have firearms because they currently think that having guns and ammo around is more trouble than they are worth, their spouse is against having guns in the house, they don't want guns in the house because they have children, or they lost everything including their guns in a divorce or bankruptcy, or they lost the legal right to own firearms due to some rule which really should no longer apply to them... Some of these people might be a good bet to be armed and on your side if things really go South in a big way.
Friend, once I finish replacing the non-heat treated bolt parts and remove a 1/64” off the trigger guard end of the rod(s) for the slide spring(s), to allow the bolt to be closed snug, and apply the occasional weld to the slide crack, the Universal is a very bang worthy gun.
I’m no smith. If you can get it up to par then that’s different. My carbine is a Saiga .223, less than $350 NIB.
I think it would fun, if I could write. ;)
It puts you right in the middle of the action.
Go for it!
BTW, have you tried the Kel Tec PMR30 yet?
Haven’t fired the keltec. I passed last year on a HK USC, the civilan version of their UMP. It’s a carbine in .45 ACP, light strong and accurate. They wanted $995.00. Now I can’t find one for less than $1,600.00.
Anyone who will flame you for wanting an AK variant is an idiot. Even the cheapest WASR converted to 30 round mag AK is going to be pretty much rock solid reliable and be able to hit MOM, Minute of Man, at any reasonable range. That is, if you can hit, it can.
True. I guess it’s my suspicious and paranoid nature of survival. It forces me to ponder, do we deal with the freeloaders who have no forethought to being prepared and hope they learn to pull their load for the numbers game or do we choose fewer numbers of people we know will stand with us?
Good points, I’m mainly talking about people who believe guns are bad then suddenly see the light after it’s too late and expect us to hand them a gun and all will be fine.
Thanks. Since I own a Cougar, I’m also thinking of the Cx4. 9mm HP has plenty of take-down power (though I’d never use 9mm FMJ for self-defense), and for some reason I am partial to Beretta.
Hi-Point is still saying they are coming out with their .45 ACP carbine this year. We’ll see ...
The only time a guy can have ‘too many’ firearms is when you are trying to swim with them...
Or carry them all in a fishing bat. Several freepers have lost all their weapons in boating incidents ... I sold all mine and now only have ‘registered guns’.
Dang! Guess we ALL were on the river that day with you,HUH? LOL...
Ammo is still fairly cheap compared to .223 or .308, and within a couple hundred yards they are adequate.
For a real value, seek ones with chrome lined barrels and chambers, they are less susceptible to pitting from corrosive ammo.
It takes about ten minutes of instruction to have someone be able to use one, speed at reloading and skill come with practice.
If you want pinpoint accuracy, you are not likely to get it with the AK or SKS, but sub-MOA accuracy is a sniper's tool for ranges beyond the AK and SKS anyway. (A neighbor just starting won't be able to take advantage of a better rifle).
If you want that standoff capability, it takes a better knowledge of ballistics to use effectively and some fieldcraft--things you are not going to be able to impart to a neighbor in 10-15 minutes--and it will cost more for ammo and the arm and the optics.
Most rifles that accurate and set up for long distance applications suck as a CQB weapon, anyway.
While the AR 15 (or other Stoner variant) is a good tradeoff between the two, that is for when you are only packing one, and unless you have the piston upper, the AR will be more maintennance intensive.
(Keep 'em all clean, but some need more TLC than others.)
For the neighbors and volume of fire in a pinch, consider having a couple cheaper east-bloc arms (and plenty of ammo) around.
There are a very few whom I would trust whom, because of long past actions, society does not. In a survival situation where arming someone I would not otherwise consider giving a firearm to increases the chances of our mutual survival, it would be really nice to have that option.
Precisely. You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the slowest guy...
That said, get in touch with the guys up the road, mutual defense can get the marrauders in a crossfire and eliminate the threat rather than feed them the neighbor's leftover ammo...
There are lots of reasons NOT to arm some neighbors. My only point is that in order to have the OPTION later on to arm some level-headed but unarmed neighbors, you should buy the inexpensive “extra” guns now.
When TSHTF it will be too late, and your “option” will expire.
Yeah, there is that alter ego thing.
At my age and situation, my new motto is, “All my thrills are vicarious.”
Or they sink your boat, crash your plane, or crack your slab.
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