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History Lesson for Obama: The 1935 Congressional Debates on the Social Security Act
http://delta-man.blogspot.com/2010/03/voice-of-experience_23.html ^ | 03/23/10 | The Voice of Experience

Posted on 03/23/2010 7:46:58 PM PDT by Delta Man

What would you do if you had just pissed off approximately 150 to 180 million people? Some pretty serious damage control, that’s what. Hence, His Majesty, King Hussein Obama the First will deliver a speech in Iowa this Thursday to kick off the Democratic effort to avoid a crushing loss in this November’s Congressional mid-term elections.

Who knows what tortured arguments His Majesty and his minions will try to employ in this seemingly impossible task but I think the Congressional debate from Sunday gives us some idea of how they will try to defend this disastrous reform. More specifically, several Democrats dismissively brushed aside Republican objections to the healthcare monstrosity by noting that opponents of Social Security and Medicare had similarly made predictions of doom and gloom and those predictions had not come true. With disgusting smirks on their faces, these sniveling weasels smugly pointed out that the United States did not descend into socialism or communism, as some opponents predicted, because of the enactment of these programs. This Democratic argument may or may not be true but it’s worth noting that this general argument was hardly the only one offered against the enactment of these programs.

I realize His Majesty’s knowledge of American history is fairly limited but I don’t hold this fault against him since I don’t know a whole lot about the history of His Majesty’s native land of Kenya either. So before You try to brush off the Republican arguments by lumping them with the rhetoric of the past, I offer the following prescient objections to the enactment of the Social Security Act in 1935, which are as true today as they were nearly 75 years ago.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1935; fdr; fdrsocialsecurity; hastings; obamacare; socialsecurity; wadsworth

1 posted on 03/23/2010 7:46:58 PM PDT by Delta Man
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To: Delta Man

Keep talking BO/BS! You’ll be as successful as you were in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts.


2 posted on 03/23/2010 7:48:36 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Delta Man
Good post. Thanks.

[Snip]I agree with all the arguments being offered by conservatives that the new healthcare reform will lead us down the road to a European style socialist state but to be frank, I don't think these arguments are going to work. Instead, we should focus our arguments, as these two men did years ago, on the specific weaknesses in the law, which are legion.[Snip]

I agree with the authors conclusion.
3 posted on 03/23/2010 7:51:29 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
Instead, we should focus our arguments, as these two men did years ago, on the specific weaknesses in the law, which are legion

A strategy which obviously worked out extremely well since we are no longer saddled with this Social Security thingy.

The author is an idiot.

4 posted on 03/23/2010 7:53:55 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Delta Man

Bump


5 posted on 03/23/2010 7:55:31 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Lurker

No remember the courts then. Plus FDR cannily argued that Social Security was not a tax but insurance. Course that is the same tact that this Administration will take. Courts didn’t look at the law (my thought) but rather the words spoken.

Hopefully our USSC will not fall into the same trap.


6 posted on 03/23/2010 7:56:47 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
Like I said, the authors argument failed then and it will fail again today if it's made.

The author is an idiot.

7 posted on 03/23/2010 7:57:52 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

What is your solution?

Not the courts I see. Legislative is not truly an option at this time.

Leaves us with Ballots or Bullets. Ballots is months away with an electorate that has in the past shown to have short memories.


8 posted on 03/23/2010 8:00:39 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
What is your solution?

There is no 'solution' in the way you're thinking. We've reached the tipping point. More than 50% of the population has found they can vote themselves whatever they want from the productive.

That can only end one way, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

9 posted on 03/23/2010 8:04:49 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: K-oneTexas

FDR also said in a state of the union speech that it would have to privitized at some point.


10 posted on 03/23/2010 8:05:25 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf

That fell on deaf politicians ears too.


11 posted on 03/23/2010 8:20:46 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Lurker

I hope we haven’t reached this tipping point although sometimes I fear, as you do, that we have.

The important distinction to keep in mind is that the Social Security Act was passed in the midst of the Depression. The vast numbers of the elderly, disabled, and families with dependent children living in poverty were immediate beneficiaries of the Act. Remember too that the unemployed also received an immediate benefit from the Social Security Act since it provided unemployment insurance benefits. Overturning Social Security would have been impossible at that time.

Our situation is different. The majority of Americans oppose this law. The vast majority of Americans already have health insurance and probably doesn’t see a tremendous benefit in this law. We should take advantage of this situation and pound away on all the weaknesses in this law. These two Congressmen proved that it is possible to predict the effects of this type of legislation with amazing accuracy. We should point this out to the liberals and do likewise.


12 posted on 03/23/2010 8:32:39 PM PDT by Delta Man
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To: Delta Man

The GOP needs to set up shadow events in every city or state that O goes to push his BS. They need to knock him off message. In IA, Steve King and other leaders need to go hold a big rally. If he goes to CA, McClintock and other conservatives need to go. We also need to have big names at these, Voight at one, Palin at one, Beck at one, etc.

We need to create a media counterstorm to battle this in public opinion. The GOP also needs to start releasing new alternative policy positions. 1 or 2 this spring, maybe one on july 4th and then pick up again in September.


13 posted on 03/23/2010 9:05:59 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Delta Man
History shmistory.

Obama and his cabal have themselves convinced the United States history up to this point was merely about providing a setting for them to execute the correct application of Marxist principles.

14 posted on 03/24/2010 6:30:31 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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