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To: lucysmom
Is it possible to be both citizen and sovereign?

Yep. Read the pre-amble to the Constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It was not established by some King, "holy" man/men, or some small elite group (as the Magna Carta was.

Seems to me that the only way that works out is anarchy.

No, the way it works out is freedom. Freedom under the rule of law, but a law established by those it applies to, not some bunch of "lawgivers".

But why I am not surprised you'd see it that way.

116 posted on 03/06/2010 11:47:54 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
No, the way it works out is freedom. Freedom under the rule of law, but a law established by those it applies to, not some bunch of "lawgivers".

Doesn't that make the law sovereign?

118 posted on 03/06/2010 12:08:08 PM PST by lucysmom
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