MUSLIM CRUSADES Started Four Centuries Before the Western Crusades

FactReal ^ | 3/1/2010 | FactReal

[FactReal]

Islamic Crusades pre-date Western Crusades. Western Crusades were a response to try to stop the Islamic invasions.

[ClearCase_guy]

Picking a nit — a Crusade is a war for the cross. The Muslims have the equivalent (a jihad) which is a war for the Crescent (so to speak).

[HospiceNurse]

True. Holy wars are oxymoronic.

[GOP Poet]

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[Noumenon]

Islam turned a large part of India into an abbatoir. Here's the truth about Islam:

The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)

and

The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam's Threat to the West (Lee Harris)

Islam is a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. This is what Islam has done throughout its entire history. Those whom it does not destroy, it enslaves and impoverishes. Islam is the enemy. Islam must be destroyed.

[Ouderkirk]

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[Brugmansian]

List should include the raid on Rome and looting of the tombs of St. Peter and St. Paul by Muslims in 846 A.D. Then, the naval Battle of Ostia off the port of Rome in 849 A.D. The Leonine walls at the Vatican were built as a response (Muslim captured at Ostia were forced to work on the defenses).

[VR-21]

Picking a nit — a Crusade is a war for the cross.

True enough, but I really do like the way FactReal pointed out a historical fact (Islam's agression prior to the Crusades) that many tend to overlook.

Great post FactReal!

[fred2008]

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[CommerceComet]

There is a “persecuted” mindset which justifies its own actions but condemns a similar response. How many times have we seen Muslims initiate some action and then cry “persecution” when the other side responds and defends itself? I would say in just about every current conflict in the world that involves at least one Muslim side and that means just about every conflict in the world. For such a “peaceable” bunch, the Muslims sure seem to get involved in a lot of conflicts.

[skeeter]

I’d never heard of that incident. Need to study up.

[hellbender]

They are not equivalent. Islam is inherently imperialist; conquest of the world and compulsion of every person to submit to the obscene cult of Allah is an integral part of Islam, while the New Testament merely directs Christians to preach the Gospel to every creature. The Crusades were simply an attempt to restore access of Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem and (initially) to save the Christian Byzantine realm (which had appealed to the West for help) from conquest by Islam. The Crusaders never conquered more than a small strip of coastal Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, while Islam swallowed half of Christendom.

Islam has little function beyond being an explicit negation of Christianity. The famed Muslim "Dome of the Rock" on the Temple Mount of Jerusalem is a deliberate affront to Christianity, because it is covered, inside and out, with Arabic inscriptions opposing Christianity. Every passage from the Koran pertaining Jesus is included.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Revenge the Crescades!

[chaosagent]

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Genesis 16
Hagar and Ishmael
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar;
2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her." Abram agreed to what Sarai said.
3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.
4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived. When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress.
5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?" "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her."
10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [a] for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward [b] all his brothers."

[ClearCase_guy]

You are correct that they are not equivalent. Perhaps I should have said "counterpart".

But my point was a very minor one about word derivation. The CRUS in "crusade" refers to the cross upon which Jesus dies. The Muslims don't fight "crusades" as such. That's all I'm saying. I'm just being a nerd.

[Brugmansian]

Good retort to liberals who used the Crusades against Western Civilization. Muslims looted and desecrated the graves of Peter and Paul 249 years before the First Crusade was launched.

[Doulos1]

Very good response.

[skeeter]

Just checked Wikipedia’s entry for the sacking of the tomb. LOL, no wonder I’ve never heard of it.

[RowdyFFC]

Oh balogna!!!! Besides the Muslims attempted invasion of Europe centuries before the Crusades ever started, the Muzzies had been slicing and dicing anybody that just wanted to visit the holy lands...that is VISIT the Holy Lands, not to rise up against their precious MECCA or MEDINA which was in Saudi Arabia...read some history...the Crusaders (Knights Templar) started accompanying those visitors and eventually just got pissed off and started slicing and dicing themselves.

Too many Americans have been educated by ‘liberal arts’ degrees...