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To: etraveler13

It is not even clear if he is a US Citizen, but it IS clear that he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen (NBC).


It’s clear to most of us.

As far as most of the country, the courts, and the laws believes there are two types of US citizens.

native/natural born
naturalized

Nowhere in our history has the court ever mentioned that there is some other type of citizen.

Therefore, if Obama is a citizen he is one or the other. According to Hawaii he was born in Hawaii. He gained his citizenship at birth not through naturalization THEREFORE he is a native/natural born citizen.

If you care to dispute his native/natural born citizenship please provide one of the following:

1) a Court opinion after Wong Kim Ark which actually states that we have more than two types of citizens and what those other types are

2) proof he was not born in Hawaii

Hatred of a politician is not a good enough reason to upend our entire judicial/legal history. Saying it is so doesn’t make it so.


178 posted on 02/23/2010 8:19:51 AM PST by jayg
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To: jayg

When running for public office, the burden of proving citizenship, natural born citizenship, falls to that person running for public office. That has not been done.
My concern pertains to what the Constitution of the United States requires for a candidate to become President of the United States(POTUS), not a naturalized citizen, as in Wong Kim Ark. These are naturalized vs. Natural Born distinctions, which are very different.
In the constitution it is specific that the POTUS be “natural born”, that being, both parents US Citizens and the child being born within the borders of the United States. There was only ONE proviso for qualification, that was in the beginnings of our country, a “grandfather clause” if you will.
Obama’s father was from Kenya, a British Protectorate, so Obama is disqualified as a natural born citizen, by reason of his fathers citizenship. He was then adopted by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian Citizen, at 5 years old, again, he is not a NBC, because of his fathers allegiance to Indonesia. At no point in his life, did he apply for US citizenship, that we know of, nor has he filed for a legal name change from Barry Soetoro, his adopted name.
There is no proof that he is “even” a US Citizen. In fact, documents have been provided to the courts that show he has used multiple SSN’s.
One then has to ask WHY he witholds the documents and evidence that would end all of this, and in fact spends millions in attorneys fees (by the way, where did that money come from, he did not have it when he went into the Presidency, and his wages are 256K/Yr)
Personally, I do not hate Obama, I simply want him to prove, as he is required to do, that he is who he says he is, that is meets the qualifications of POTUS, as set by the constitution of the United States.

This is not a matter of political ideology, race, or hate. It is a matter of adherance to the Constitution.

Wong Kim Ark is a citizenship issue with does not touch on Natural Born Status, rather naturalization. Two different things.
http://chestofbooks.com/society/law/The-Constitutional-Law-Of-The-United-States/132-Wong-Kim-Ark-Case.html


179 posted on 02/23/2010 11:35:53 AM PST by etraveler13
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To: jayg

Just a final note and clarification.

If Obama was born in California, Wyoming, Pick the state, and all other factors were the same, he would not be a natural born citizen, because his father was not a US citizen. Period.

His mother was not in the United states for 5 years prior to his birth either, which disqualifies him.

So, where he was born, is not important to me, or the law, in this instance. Whether he is a naturalized citizen, is not important to me, or the law, in this case.

The fact that he is “not” a Natural Born Citizen IS important, as it pertains to the POTUS, which is the only office that is specific about NBC status in the Constitution.


180 posted on 02/23/2010 11:43:50 AM PST by etraveler13
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