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To: Non-Sequitur; Colonel Kangaroo
“I have never denied a state's right to secede be it over slavery, as the confederate states did, or whatever bizarre reason you can come up, or no reason at all. The only question is how to go about it.”

This was not what Lincoln believed......

“Well Hitler wouldn't back a loser for any reason. Even considering the similarities between the two men - both ran an a country who's wartime economy was dependent on slave labor, both nationalized large industries, and both believed that they belonged to the master race.”

I feel- That Hitler appreciated Lincoln's( Total War ) on Southern civilians.....

This is a good read:
“Perhaps the veneer of lies and historical distortions that surround Abraham Lincoln are beginning to crack. In the movie, “Gangs of New York,” we finally have a historically correct representation of the real Abraham Lincoln and his policies. Heretofore, many socialistic intellectuals, politicians and historians have whitewashed these policies in order to protect Lincoln's image because of their allegiance to the unconstitutional centralization of power he brought to our government.

The false sainthood and adulation afforded Lincoln has its basis in the incorrect assumption he fought the war to free an enslaved people. To believe this propaganda one must ignore most everything Lincoln said about the Black race and his continued efforts at colonization. Lincoln's treatment of the American Indian has been very much ignored, though not exactly misrepresented.

One would find it hard to refute that Abraham Lincoln's political idol was Henry Clay. Lincoln would say of Clay; “During my whole political life, I have loved and revered Henry Clay as a teacher and leader.” Lincoln delivered the eulogy at the funeral for Clay. When elected President, Lincoln set about implementing Henry Clay's political philosophies.

Throughout Clay's political life he was a strong believer in National Socialism and a complete racist in all references to the American Indian. As Secretary of State Clay would declare: “The Indians’ disappearance from the human family will be no great loss to the world. I do not think them, as a race, worth preserving.”
http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/issues/lincoln.html

446 posted on 02/25/2010 3:40:03 PM PST by Idabilly
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To: Idabilly
This was not what Lincoln believed.....

No. Lincoln, like Webster and Andy Jackson and Henry Clay and James Buchanan among others, believed that secession of any kind was not permitted. I don't agree with them. I hold with James Madison that secession with the consent of the other states is allowed.

I feel- That Hitler appreciated Lincoln's( Total War ) on Southern civilians.....

Well if you think that was 'total war' then you either have no concept of the term or cling to the Southron myths on what really happened.

In the movie, “Gangs of New York,” we finally have a historically correct representation of the real Abraham Lincoln and his policies.

"Gangs of New York" is historically correct? Are you flippin' serious? I'll bet you think all Five Point hookers looked like Cameron Diaz.

450 posted on 02/25/2010 4:53:55 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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