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To: EnderWiggins

gigglePuff;

Gotta admit your spin it something;

For example and I will use this mis-quote of yours;

James Madison, Framer,
The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”

The children born of aliens [non-citizens] retain their parents condition, as natural born subjects, and as subjects retain all the rights of subjects - NOT Natural Born Citizens. Again trying to equate a subject to a Natural born citizen.

Garder v. Ward, 2 Mass. 244 (1805)

“The doctrine of the common law is that every man born within its jurisdiction is a subject of the sovereign of the country where he is born,

Barack Hussein Obama, was not under sole and complete United States jurisdiction, he was under British jurisdiction and law. BHO- admitted.

James Kent, Commentaries on American Law (1826)

“That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted) is a happy means of security against foreign influence,…A very respectable political writer makes the following pertinent remarks upon this subject. “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it.”

Wea re not talking about prior to the adoption of the Constitution are we?

St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries (1803)

Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.

Note again; subjects at birth, not citizens.

The Law Library, Vol. 84, pg. 50 (1854)

“But the law of France rejects the principle of the English law, and of our own laws, that birth within the limits and jurisdiction of France, makes a Frenchman, or a natural-born citizen or subject of France, absolutely,…”

Again, attempting to use foreign law, still a subject and not a citizen.

I like this one the best - giggles

John Norton Pomeroy, Introduction to Municipal Law, pg. 419 (1865)

“As matter of law, does anybody deny here, or anywhere, that the native-born is a citizen, and a citizen by virtue of his birth alone?”

NATIVE - NOT NATURAL BORN.


971 posted on 02/17/2010 9:48:58 AM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959
Sometimes your confusion is just funny.

"Again trying to equate a subject to a Natural born citizen."

As the Supreme Court has acknowledged, subject and citizen mean the exact same thing.

"Barack Hussein Obama, was not under sole and complete United States jurisdiction, he was under British jurisdiction and law. BHO- admitted."

According to the Supreme Court, anybody born here who is not the child of a foreign diplomat or occupying army is under the sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the United States at their birth.

"Wea re not talking about prior to the adoption of the Constitution are we?"

No... we are talking about 500 years of Ango-American common law which just happens to start 300 years prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

"Note again; subjects at birth, not citizens."

Note again; they are the same thing.

"Again, attempting to use foreign law, still a subject and not a citizen."

Actually, no. You didn't read that one right at all. It rejects foreign law and not just any foreign law. It rejects specifically the version offered by de Vattel.

"NATIVE - NOT NATURAL BORN."

They are the same thing.
988 posted on 02/17/2010 12:00:24 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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