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To: Danae
LOL.... once again you display the most transcendent non-familiarity with the most basic rules of argument and debate. The burden of proof is on the affirmative assertion, not the negative.

I have read the debates regarding the citizenship requirements for both President (that was easy, because there was none) and the Congress (actually rather extensive). I have also read the later debates regarding the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment. De Vattel was never mentioned once in any of them.

I cannot (by definition) prove that to you. You have to go look and prove it to yourself.

If I am wrong, then it should be a trivial issue for you to show us. You are welcome to add yourself to the long list of Birthers here who are unable to demonstrate a single example of a single framer ever mentioning de Vattel and citizenship in the same breath.
553 posted on 02/14/2010 11:52:18 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Ummm hum. So, name the committee that was tasked with codifying the requirements for POTUS...

You might try following your own debate ruled friend. You can’t prove anything one way or another. You have an opinion, which you base on some set of values. That’s fine. But you have failed to prove affirmatively that your opinion is correct.

I also have an opinion. And guess what.... neither one matters a whit. Why? Because it will have to be brought to SCOTUS to decide. NOTHING at all is even slightly relevant until the Supreme Court makes a ruling on it. That is what I want. Post haste.

If I had the money, I would bet on SCOTUS agreeing with me, not you.

The founders CLEARLY wanted to prevent a person of divided loyalties from running the Nation. even YOU agree with that. Why you take the illogical position of arguing both for and against this is beyond me.

The point of the clause was to ensure the loyalty of the CIC to the best of anyone’s ability. That means knowing where he is from, who his parents are, and knowing that because of his/her inherritance of citizenship and being born on the soil of the Nation that this person was only ever singly and solely a citizen of the united states, and under the jursidiction of no other nation.

Sorry EW. Just being born in the states isn’t good enough. It wasn’t good enough for the founders, and that is the law they wrote. That’s the law we have.

Sorry bub, your buddy Bambi should be in prison orange and up for trial. I look forward to that day.


559 posted on 02/14/2010 12:13:12 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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