To: EnderWiggins
I think that over there at central for the One they need to train you better. You are wrong. And I again challenge you to show us the passage in Blackstone on an Enlgish decision wehre the phrase “natural born citizen” is used and cited as you assert. I don’t think you have a shred of actual authority to support your assertions.
537 posted on
02/14/2010 9:37:44 AM PST by
AmericanVictory
(Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
To: AmericanVictory
"You are wrong."
Then show me that I am wrong. Since I cannot prove a negative, you can do us all the great service of proving the positive. Please, show us what no other Birther in this or any Free Republic thread has been able to show: a single framer or founder who ever mentioned de Vattel in the same breath as citizenship.
"And I again challenge you to show us the passage in Blackstone on an Enlgish decision wehre the phrase natural born citizen is used and cited as you assert."
Well, that's hardly challenging me "again." It is in fact the first time you have challenged me, and I am happy to oblige.
"The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such."
Blackstone, William. Commentaries on the Laws of England: A Facsimile of the First Edition of 1765--1769. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979. pp:361--62
To: AmericanVictory
Oh... one more thing. Assuming you intend to hypocritically quibble that "subject" and "citizen" are not the same thing, the Supreme Court disagrees rather explicitly:
"All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution."
and
"Subject and citizen are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives, and though the term citizen seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, subjects, for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land."
Both quotations are from the decision in Wong Kim Ark
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