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To: EnderWiggins

Well, I can see now that you don’t really read anything then. And you are deliberately being both misleading if not outright lying.

I have to conclude the same as other posters here. You are a troll and utterly unwilling to see the stark naked truth right in front of you.

A Natural Born Citizen is one who has ONLY ever held the citizenship of the United States. This is determined by having two parents who are citizens of the United States, so that you cannot possibly inherit another citizenship from either of them, and born inside the United States so that it is not possible to claim another nations citizenship because you were born inside that Nation.

It is just that simple.

A citizen can have more than one Nationality and still be an American Citizen. Just look at Mexican anchor babies for example. They are Mexican and American.

A Natural Born Citizen is ONLY American. 2 parents to inherit American Citizenship from and born on the soil of America to claim your citizenship that way AS WELL.

If you cannot wrap your mind around this very very very remedially simple fact, there is no hope for you.


488 posted on 02/13/2010 7:28:34 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Danae
Danae,

We know what your position is, so baldly repeating it ad naseam is hardly productive. What we might benefit from is actual evidence that your position is the right one. But still all we get is impossible assertions of time travel by Ben Franklin or Swiss philosophers returning from the dead.

The demonstrated facts however are these:

1) At the time of the framing of the Constitution there was one and only one definition of natural born citizen in the English language, and that was the definition of English common law. Most of the framers were practitioners of that law and pointedly familiar with the phrase as a specific and well known term of art.

2) At the time of the framing de Vattel was 20 years dead, and no edition of his book existed that included the phrase. It would be another ten years before a translator (not de Vattel) inserted the phrase into an edition of the book for the first time.

3) Not a single Framer of the Constitution, or even a single American contemporary of them ever referenced de Vattel when discussing citizenship. Not in the debates in the Federal convention, not in their private writings, not in the Federalist Papers.

4) Not a single Framer of the Constitution is on record as having entertained for a second the requirement that two citizen parents were needed to be a natural born citizen.

5) James Madison (a Framer and eventual President) is formally on record that the rule of citizenship in America was jus solis, not jus sanguinis.

So you can tell us all day that "It's just that simple." The universe is overflowing with things that are "just that simple" and still not true.
508 posted on 02/13/2010 10:22:51 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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