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To: DoctorBulldog
"Now that you are saying that “native” and “natural-born” are synonymous with each other-—according to your interpretation of Vattel, ..."

There you go!!! Ignoring that de Vattel never said anything about "natural born" and so your characterization above is false, finally somebody actually has made the effort to determine what de Vattel was actually saying. Of course, that's hard for Birthers because they are so fixated on somehow trying to tie de Vattel with a phrase he never uttered: "natural born citizen." So they never get around to considering about what he did say. And boy is it a doozie!

He never said that your not a natural born citizen if you don't have two citizen parents. He said you are not a citizen at all.

This of course would render almost 100 million American citizens suddenly completely stateless, and is in direct contradiction with the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the entire history of Anglo-Saxon-American citizenship law... but it is what it is.

It is in fact another demonstration that in whatever esteem the Framers held de Vattel regarding admiralty law or treaties... they had no trouble ignoring him in those instances where his beliefs were contradictory to their own. We have seen that the Framers rejected his ideas by adopting the 2nd Amendment. We now see they rejected him regarding citizenship law as well. And he was rejected again when the 14th Amendment was written.


388 posted on 02/13/2010 3:56:16 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; DoctorBulldog
DoctorBulldog: "Now that you are saying that “native” and “natural-born” are synonymous with each other-—according to your interpretation of Vattel, ..."

You : There you go!!! Ignoring that de Vattel never said anything about "natural born" and so your characterization above is false, finally somebody actually has made the effort to determine what de Vattel was actually saying.

There you go NOT!

You know dang well that de Vattel used the French word for natural when he first published the 'Law of Nations' in 1758, And the definition hasn't changed one bit which is the intent and meaning behind the natural born citizen clause.

393 posted on 02/13/2010 4:28:30 PM PST by Red Steel
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