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To: DoctorBulldog
"Hence, there is most certainly a distinction to be made between the word 'naturels' and and the word 'indigènes.'"

Again, I commend you for being bilingual. But your reasoning is rather patently in error.

If de Vattel intended a distinction to be made between "naturels" and "indigènes" why did he provide only one definition for both?

In point of fact, he defined them as meaning exactly the same thing. And as such, yes, "The natives, or natives, are those born in the country of citizen parents." Would be a correct (if clumsy) translation of the phrase.

That's why they are called synonyms.
382 posted on 02/13/2010 2:48:57 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

wiggiefool

sorry, double negitive...

In point of fact, he defined them as meaning exactly the same thing. And as such, yes, “The natives, or natives, are those born in the country of citizen parents.” Would be a correct (if clumsy) translation of the phrase.

indigenous citizens are those born of the country, decendent from the population. A foreigner is not ‘from the country, nor the population’

Obama is an illegal undocumented resident alien, based on his father being a subject to a foreign country, under foreign laws, and that by British law, can never be broken.

Obama 101 - illegal, un-natural, illegetimate.


383 posted on 02/13/2010 2:53:29 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

My but you are laughably obtuse and full of sophistry of the lowest order. I commend you on your “never say die” attitude, however, sometimes it is wiser to just bend and acquiesce to a stronger wind than to stand foolishly rigid.

Having already demonstrated to just about everyone here, except yourself, just how counterfactual and erroneous your contentions are, I will stand on my previous comment to which you are replying. Nothing further needs to be added to show the inherent fallacies in your speciousness and desperate arguments.

I had lots of fun, though.

In fact, I’ll even play one last game with you. Now that you are saying that “native” and “natural-born” are synonymous with each other-—according to your interpretation of Vattel, you said, “In point of fact, he defined them as meaning exactly the same thing”-—then you must ponder the following:

Vattel says, and I quote, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

Therefore, according to your skewed understanding of Vattel, that would mean that even a “native-born” citizen must be born of “parents [plural] who are citizens [plural].”

So, now Obama isn’t even a “native-born” citizen, according to your Vattelian “point of fact.”

Yup, better stick with Blackwell (stone).

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Cheers


386 posted on 02/13/2010 3:39:59 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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