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To: Danae


Wong Kim Ark made no distinction. But the distinction is obvious. "Citizens" includes both naturalized and natural born citizens. And naturalized citizens cannot be President.

I sometimes think Birthers have never seen a Venn Diagram.

One last time with feeling: De Vattel never defined "natural born citizen." Period.
295 posted on 02/12/2010 7:00:58 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
ROTFLMAO
Wrong again. He did define it.

From my own research paper:

"“The Law of Nations” by Emerich Vattel. The Law of Nations codifies a phrase that was common knowledge, and accepted law in establishing the citizenship of a child in 1758 when it was originally written. “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are thofe born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

Given that our constitution takes and uses a great many of the definitions in Vattel’s work, it is likely (though hotly debated today) this definition is exactly the one used by the Founding Fathers. Alexander Hamilton described the seriousness the Founders took the matter to be in what is known as the Federalist Papers, this from #68:

“Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention.”

Vattel, Emerich. "THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS." 1797. Book I Ch XIX

Alexander Hamilton. "The Federalist No. 68: The Mode of Electing the President." March 12, 1788.


306 posted on 02/12/2010 7:24:33 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: EnderWiggins

Oh and thank you for making my point for me.

There IS a distinction between the two. Naturalized Citizens and Natural born citizens are both citizens, but Naturalized citizens cannot be POTUS. Therefore NC = Citizen; NBC = Citizen; NC =/= NBC; NC, NBC = Citizen.
Clearly there is a differentiation between types of citizenship, no one disagrees on that.

So therefore, a naturalized citizen cannot be POTUS - why? Because they held the citizenship of another nation. Now take a child who has in particular a father who is a foreigner... That child is going to inherit that parents citizenship as well. Therefore, a child with one parent who is an alien is born with more than one citizenship.

An NBC can be POTUS obviously, but just what IS that?. NBC is a person who never held the citizenship of any other Nation other than that of the USA. Ever. There is ZERO question about that persons citizenship, and THAT was the intent of the founders.

That’s it. The logic is very very clear.


310 posted on 02/12/2010 7:38:38 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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