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To: BP2
"Obama is not an alien when he visits the UK. He's a British Subject and has privileges and obligations in the UK that a visiting alien does not."

Maybe, maybe not. It still doesn't matter. As long as he is a natural born American citizen he is eligible to be president of the United States.

"EnderWiggins, as a British Subject yourself, Blackstone's words should hold particular poignancy to you."

LOL... I'm not a British Subject. What are you on about? Who do you have me confused with?
1,220 posted on 02/19/2010 2:27:10 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins; All

> Obama is not an alien when he visits the UK. He's a
> British Subject and has privileges and obligations in
> the UK that a visiting alien does not.

>> Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe, maybe not ??!! Don't be coy, you know the answer ...

As a British Subject, Obama POSSESSES access to more privileges than does a non-Subject or alien. IF Obama wanted to obtain a UK passport or British nationality, he could do so. For all we know, he already has ...

Those privileges inherently carry responsibilities and obligations.

uk passport to be processed in Hong Kong Picture of identification card for EEA nationals


1,221 posted on 02/19/2010 3:23:07 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: EnderWiggins; DJ MacWoW; syc1959; BP2; Velveeta; Danae; DoctorBulldog; rxsid; DaveTesla

I found the following argument — posted by “DJ MacWoW” on another threed — of some interest, and thought others may also find it edifying:

John Yinger is Professor of Economics and Public Administration at the Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs, Syracuse University, and the father of two adoptive children, one of whom, even when old enough, will not be eligible to be President.

The Origins and Interpretation of the Presidential Eligibility Clause in the U.S. Constitution: by John Yinger

The term “natural born” citizen has a long history in British common law.(38) In fact, a law passed in 1677 law says that “natural born” citizens include people born overseas to British citizens. This usage was undoubtedly known to John Jay, who had children born overseas while he was serving as a diplomat.(39) It also appears to have been employed by the members of the first Congress, who included many of the people who had participated in the Constitutional Convention. To be specific, The Naturalization Act of 1790, which was passed by this Congress, declared “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens; Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.”(40)

In other words, they were drawing on the English legal tradition, which protected allegiance to the king by conferring citizenship on all children “whose fathers were natural-born subjects,” regardless of where the children were born.(44) Thus, according to Morse, “the framers thought it wise, in view of the probable influx of European immigration, to provide that the President should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance to the United States at the time of his birth.”(45)

Morse also emphasizes the difference between the terms “native-born” and “natural-born.” The dictionary, which follows the English precedents, defines “native-born” as “belonging to or associated with a particular place (as a country) by birth therein” and “natural-born” as “having a specified status or character by birth.”(47) If the Founders had not wanted an expansive definition of citizenship, Morse writes, “it would only have been necessary to say, ‘no person, except a native-born citizen.’”(48)

82 posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 7:37:36 AM by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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1,223 posted on 02/19/2010 3:27:35 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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