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To: EnderWiggins

Why bother, you ignore the quotes posted to you.

You have been proven wrong.


1,190 posted on 02/18/2010 1:11:33 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Danae
"You have been proven wrong."

Danae, you have to actually understand the quotations you post before being able to draw a conclusion regarding what they do or do not prove. Frankly, you betray understanding of neither your quotations nor the arguments you imagine you were replying to.

Britain gets to call anybody anything they want. They can grant citizenship to anybody they want. But since we are a sovereign nation, we really don't have to care. Because among the things they cannot do is to pretend that anybody on our soil is subject to their jurisdiction. They cannot send their police, or their army, or even a dogcatcher onto our territory to capture a rabid collie. And they certainly cannot reach out and claim the allegiance of somebody born in Boise or Denver or Honolulu.

Once again I have to point out the bitter irony of you guys pretending you are patriots when you are so anxious to surrender our national sovereignty to a foreign government.

As the Supreme Court has asserted... our sovereignty within our own territory is absolute. We have sole and complete jurisdiction over anybody therein except for foreign diplomats and occupying armies. This includes citizens, and tourists, and sojourners, and illegal immigrants... if they are on our soil they are subject to our jurisdiction. If any other nation pretends otherwise, it is arguably an act of war... an invasion of our sovereign territory.

Any child born on our territory (again, who is not the child of a foreign diplomat or invading army) is entirely, wholly, solely, completely and absolutely subject to our jurisdiction and that of no other nation. This is not an issue over which any court ruling has been in disagreement. So that is where natural allegiance entirely, wholly, solely, completely and absolutely lays.

Allegiance under our laws as we have seen again, and again, and again is made in exchange for the protection of the state under whose jurisdiction a person is born. The quotation that you have provided and that you do not seem to understand does not even pretend to challenge that claim, but explicitly confirms it. It points out that even though British legislation has awarded natural born citizenship to certain children born "outside the allegiance of the Crown," they are still born outside the allegiance of the crown. As such, they are only claiming a child's citizenship... but not his or her allegiance. And of course they could not claim the allegiance of a child born under our jurisdiction, because that would be (arguably) an act of war.

We are a sovereign nation. We and only we get to decide who is our citizen, and who is our natural born citizen. Britain cannot do that for us. Neither can Kenya or Indonesia.

And every time you guys claim they can, you prove nothing other than that you yourselves are not really patriots at all.
1,191 posted on 02/18/2010 1:37:49 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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